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Their whole business is based on bullying, dark patterns and ripoff, they either go out of business and become homeless or turn out to be the next president of

by yard2010 1y ago

Their whole business is based on bullying, dark patterns and ripoff, they either go out of business and become homeless or turn out to be the next president of the united states.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Their whole business is based on bullying, dark patterns and ripoff No. It’s based on monopoly. There are a limited number of venues that can host a modern superstar, generally no more than one per geography, and Ticketmaster made it a point to represent all of them. Which means any modern superstar and their fans must work through Ticketmaster. Which, in turn, enables this nonsense. The cause is monopoly. Not “bullying, dark patterns and ripoff;” those are effects.
- bombcar 1y ago
  It’s worse than that. The venue contracts with Ticketmaster to hike all the fees and shit, which then get kicked back in some percentage to the venue (and sometimes the band) and Ticketmaster takes the heat. So the 50% that goes to “Ticketmaster” may be 80% to the venue.
  - MengerSponge 1y ago
    They're a liability sink. It's good business!
  - jart 1y ago
    Ticketmaster actually kicks money back to the venue? I thought their business model was to bankrupt venues and then buy them at auction.
- analog31 1y ago
  It's also a weird kind of monopoly, in that the good itself has no meaningful elasticity. When people talk about ticket prices, I always tell them: "Come hear my band for 15 bucks at the door, and free street parking." But of course I know that it's not a comparable experience.
- lokar 1y ago
  And even more clever: they leverage their control of the big acts and venues to force everyone else into line. So even a mid sized venue can’t cross them because they can retaliate
will4274 1y ago
> turn out to be the next president of the united states From the site guidelines: > Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.
8bitsrule 1y ago
>Their whole business is based on bullying, dark patterns and ripoff Much like the corporations that use private homes as gambling chips. Much like many organizations playing on the ongoing slump of Western values.

Their whole business is based on bullying, dark patterns and ripoff, they either go out of business and become homeless or turn out to be the next president of the united states.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Their whole business is based on bullying, dark patterns and ripoff No. It’s based on monopoly. There are a limited number of venues that can host a modern superstar, generally no more than one per geography, and Ticketmaster made it a point to represent all of them. Which means any modern superstar and their fans must work through Ticketmaster. Which, in turn, enables this nonsense. The cause is monopoly. Not “bullying, dark patterns and ripoff;” those are effects.

bombcar 1y ago
It’s worse than that. The venue contracts with Ticketmaster to hike all the fees and shit, which then get kicked back in some percentage to the venue (and sometimes the band) and Ticketmaster takes the heat. So the 50% that goes to “Ticketmaster” may be 80% to the venue.
- MengerSponge 1y ago
  They're a liability sink. It's good business!
- jart 1y ago
  Ticketmaster actually kicks money back to the venue? I thought their business model was to bankrupt venues and then buy them at auction.
analog31 1y ago
It's also a weird kind of monopoly, in that the good itself has no meaningful elasticity. When people talk about ticket prices, I always tell them: "Come hear my band for 15 bucks at the door, and free street parking." But of course I know that it's not a comparable experience.
lokar 1y ago
And even more clever: they leverage their control of the big acts and venues to force everyone else into line. So even a mid sized venue can’t cross them because they can retaliate

will4274 1y ago

> turn out to be the next president of the united states From the site guidelines: > Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.

8bitsrule 1y ago

>Their whole business is based on bullying, dark patterns and ripoff Much like the corporations that use private homes as gambling chips. Much like many organizations playing on the ongoing slump of Western values.