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That can't be real - wow. They were the company that rolled the vehicle downhill to make it look like progress right?

paulpauper 1y ago
yeah https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/09/nikola-admits-prototype-was-rolling-downhill-in-promotional-video/#:~:text=Nikola%20admits%20prototype%20was%20rolling,a%20two%2Dlane%20desert%20highway. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/09/nikola-admits-prototype...
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Animats 1y ago
By order of Trump, that never happened.[1][2] Financial claims against Milton are now void. The Führer is never wrong. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/28/trump-pardons-nikola-trevor-milton-ceo-securities-fraud-electric-vehicle.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/28/trump-pardons-nikola-trevor-... [2] https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1395001/dl https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1395001/dl
- ourmandave 1y ago
  The founders argued over the presidential pardon having to much power, and decided that congress's impeachment power would prevent abuse.
  - RealityVoid 1y ago
    Hah! Guess they didn't see these voting patterns coming! They gave you “A republic, if you can keep it.” - I will admit, you gave it a pretty good run.
    - pear01 1y ago
      voting patterns? The founders didn't want most people to vote.
      - RealityVoid 1y ago
        Then they must have seen it even less.
        pear01 1y ago
        Incorrect. Why do you think they held that view in the first place? Ironic you can't seem to grasp the meaning of the quote you so smugly parroted.
        RealityVoid 1y ago
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        pear01 1y ago
        Guess they didn't see that coming says guy quoting them seeing it coming - u. ^ here you can downvote this one too just don't be so smug. So many smug takes, not enough critical thinking. All of the founding was littered with irony anyway. He is to have said that to someone who couldn't vote, right? What does that imply? They were men after all, not gods - as they warned later generations to remember. One wonders what your theory, what your solution is. What is your form of government? After all, in a different time perhaps something like a pardon is a useful instrument against the sort of mob rule they feared. Maybe it isn't. The Congress of the founding is far different from that of today. But if you follow the broad strokes of what they predicted and what has happened, it's hard to argue they didn't see this coming. In fact they did. If they failed in preventing it that is one thing, but they clearly foretold of that possibility. And they ultimately decided it's up to the future, not to them. Many of them signed off on compromises they already predicted would lead to conflict within generations, as it did (the civil war). As for the rest of it, I'm annoyed by your analysis and its lack of self awareness. Getting mad at you over "my country" makes no sense unless you are an alt for someone in power. Regardless, I suggest you should read more about the debates during the founding if you care for a more nuanced perspective. Wherever you call your home, it cannot be totally immune to the same sorts of questions they grappled with, which afaik humanity has been wrestling with across cultures and across generations for all time. Have a good day
- dantillberg 1y ago
  > Financial claims against Milton are now void. Presidential pardons do not limit or prevent private civil lawsuits.
  - ketzo 1y ago
    But pressuring the SEC to drop the civil claims does! https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/19/us/politics/sec-trump-clemency.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/19/us/politics/sec-trump-cle...
- skippyboxedhero 1y ago
  If you get scammed by a box on wheels being rolled down the road or someone repeatedly saying HTML5 then...you had it coming and it is probably best that someone else uses your money. Also, CEOs of public companies lie persistently, huge lies that directly cause people to lose money. Nothing happens because that is the part of the game: they lie, you try to work out if other people will believe it for long enough. For startups, because there is no existing revenue, the lies are criminal. There is no distinction in reality.
  - ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
    > If you get scammed by a box on wheels being rolled down the road or someone repeatedly saying HTML5 then...you had it coming and it is probably best that someone else uses your money. I'd prefer to not give liars and cheats even more money so that they can improve their grifting - this is not behaviour that benefits society at all.
mandeepj 1y ago
Check his Instagram! He's portraying himself as a saint, a massive victim, and vowing to sue everyone else, from Nikola for defrauding him :-)

yeah https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/09/nikola-admits-prototype-was-rolling-downhill-in-promotional-video/#:~:text=Nikola%20admits%20prototype%20was%20rolling,a%20two%2Dlane%20desert%20highway. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/09/nikola-admits-prototype...

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Animats 1y ago

By order of Trump, that never happened.[1][2] Financial claims against Milton are now void. The Führer is never wrong. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/28/trump-pardons-nikola-trevor-milton-ceo-securities-fraud-electric-vehicle.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/28/trump-pardons-nikola-trevor-... [2] https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1395001/dl https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1395001/dl

ourmandave 1y ago
The founders argued over the presidential pardon having to much power, and decided that congress's impeachment power would prevent abuse.
- RealityVoid 1y ago
  Hah! Guess they didn't see these voting patterns coming! They gave you “A republic, if you can keep it.” - I will admit, you gave it a pretty good run.
  - pear01 1y ago
    voting patterns? The founders didn't want most people to vote.
    - RealityVoid 1y ago
      Then they must have seen it even less.
      - pear01 1y ago
        Incorrect. Why do you think they held that view in the first place? Ironic you can't seem to grasp the meaning of the quote you so smugly parroted.
        RealityVoid 1y ago
        [flagged]
        pear01 1y ago
        Guess they didn't see that coming says guy quoting them seeing it coming - u. ^ here you can downvote this one too just don't be so smug. So many smug takes, not enough critical thinking. All of the founding was littered with irony anyway. He is to have said that to someone who couldn't vote, right? What does that imply? They were men after all, not gods - as they warned later generations to remember. One wonders what your theory, what your solution is. What is your form of government? After all, in a different time perhaps something like a pardon is a useful instrument against the sort of mob rule they feared. Maybe it isn't. The Congress of the founding is far different from that of today. But if you follow the broad strokes of what they predicted and what has happened, it's hard to argue they didn't see this coming. In fact they did. If they failed in preventing it that is one thing, but they clearly foretold of that possibility. And they ultimately decided it's up to the future, not to them. Many of them signed off on compromises they already predicted would lead to conflict within generations, as it did (the civil war). As for the rest of it, I'm annoyed by your analysis and its lack of self awareness. Getting mad at you over "my country" makes no sense unless you are an alt for someone in power. Regardless, I suggest you should read more about the debates during the founding if you care for a more nuanced perspective. Wherever you call your home, it cannot be totally immune to the same sorts of questions they grappled with, which afaik humanity has been wrestling with across cultures and across generations for all time. Have a good day
dantillberg 1y ago
> Financial claims against Milton are now void. Presidential pardons do not limit or prevent private civil lawsuits.
- ketzo 1y ago
  But pressuring the SEC to drop the civil claims does! https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/19/us/politics/sec-trump-clemency.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/19/us/politics/sec-trump-cle...
skippyboxedhero 1y ago
If you get scammed by a box on wheels being rolled down the road or someone repeatedly saying HTML5 then...you had it coming and it is probably best that someone else uses your money. Also, CEOs of public companies lie persistently, huge lies that directly cause people to lose money. Nothing happens because that is the part of the game: they lie, you try to work out if other people will believe it for long enough. For startups, because there is no existing revenue, the lies are criminal. There is no distinction in reality.
- ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
  > If you get scammed by a box on wheels being rolled down the road or someone repeatedly saying HTML5 then...you had it coming and it is probably best that someone else uses your money. I'd prefer to not give liars and cheats even more money so that they can improve their grifting - this is not behaviour that benefits society at all.

mandeepj 1y ago

Check his Instagram! He's portraying himself as a saint, a massive victim, and vowing to sue everyone else, from Nikola for defrauding him :-)