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I don't believe you have really given us any points that would help us give you any advice. From my past experience interviewing java developers with LONG runs
by johnnymonster 14y ago
I don't believe you have really given us any points that would help us give you any advice.
From my past experience interviewing java developers with LONG runs developing java such as yourself was extremely boring. All of their resume's looked the same. Full of java related keywords. All with the same experience. None of them had soul. None of them seemed to develop anything out of their comfort zone. NONE of them knew what github was nor had an account.
Out of 300 people, over about 6 months we found only 2 java developers that seemed to be worth anything outside of their extremely large teams they were used to working in.
Now I don't know anything about you nor have I seen a resume of yours but I will say that when I see Java developer with 10 years experience writing java, it sort of already puts a negative connotation on the experience right away.
If your trying to sell yourself for a startup, your going to have to do some major overhaul of your selling points.
You are really going to have to highlight your experience with other technologies and things you are doing to keep yourself current with the times. What have you done in the past 10 years besides java? A lot has changed since 2002 in the world of development!
Last but not least, I can't believe you turned down an opportunity to work in a new environment. If all you have is years and years of java and someone (even if your personalities don't match) offers you a job doing something else and you don't take it! Its obvious that times are really not that tough in your current position.
Your going to have to suck up your pride a little and get some relevant experience in the job type you want before you can become picky about personality matching. You should be happy for the opportunity to even get considered.
Knock that AOL syndrome out of your nose and dig in. If you really want out of the banking industry, get a job for the experience. NOT to meet your new best friend or be on extremely hipster wavelengths with your boss...
To me you don't really sound all that desperate if your passing up job offers.
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- throwaway1001 14y agoI can't comment on me refusing startup offer here without revealing too many details so I won't. Regarding your other points: I think from the description it's clear that I was doing something meaningful after 2002 (Haskell and Python should be at least noticeable). Regardless of that, during that 10 years I did lots of stuff. I implemented a blazingly fast key-value storage backed by file-based B-tree from scratch. I wrote a concurrent distributed pool. I'm not a J2EE/Spring/whatever guy. Now one thing I hope is that people reading resumes prefer this type of experience to 20 line Node.js hacks.
- johnnymonster 14y agoI'm just not sure what sort of position you are looking for, which is why its going to be near impossible to tell you the magic word that will keep your resume out of the trash bin. I will tell you from personal experience, its a daunting task reviewing resumes. I believe that most have it right, if you want into a big player your going to have to figure out the inner workings of the company to figure out how your resume gets to the people in charge. Its really a numbers game, don't get discouraged and send your resume out a hundred times over. Tailor it to each position you are trying to get. If you want a backend dev position, then make sure your resume looks like your a backend dev. Also try to figure out what recruiter companies the business are working with. Every company uses recruiters, figure out who they are using and get in the door with them first. find out how many people they have placed at said company. If they havent placed anyone there then you probably don't have that big of a chance. However, if they have placed someone there before, then try to get some inside info as to what the managers are looking for. Hiring managers are more likely to give feedback to recruitment managers than directly to the candidate. Candidates tend to get emotional when told they don't have the position. No one wants to deal with that. Another thing to do is to work with a professional tech resume writer. Your a professional developer, not a professional writer. Have a professional take a look at your resume to make it clear, concise and to the point and seriously nobody reads a 10 page resume!
- batista 14y ago>Now I don't know anything about you nor have I seen a resume of yours but I will say that when I see Java developer with 10 years experience writing java, it sort of already puts a negative connotation on the experience right away. This statement raised my "shallow language hipster" alert.
- pestaa 14y agoNot that GP didn't provide explanation for this. Personally I'd never hire anyone who has 10+ years experience with one technology and none with others.
- S4M 14y agoWell, the OP clearly stated that he can do other stuff than java, so IMHO this "java bashing" doesn't seem to apply to him.
- johnnymonster 14y agoI didn't mean for my statement to turn into java bashing at all. I was just stating that after interviewing over 200 java developers for java related positions, I found that MOST of them "Senior" and with > 10 yrs experience were not very well rounded at all and stuck in their java bubbles. I would ask that any other recruiter/interviewing managers to comment here. I know from other people I have talked to, they felt the same. And it sounds like this guy is trying to get OUT of java and into something else. Does his 10 years experience in java directly translate to being a senior/expert person in any other language? So with that being said, the OP is going to have to do something with his resume to get above that stigma. Developing Java for 10 years at the same company and the exact same project just raises flags at every single level for me. Now he did say he did some personal projects where he made some stuff on his own. I will honestly say that really doesn't make him qualified to be a senior level person on an iphone/android/something/anything development team.
- throwaway1001 14y ago