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The problem with racism is it's not just immoral, it's also short-sighted. It's not like the US South is the richest. Newsflash: investing in your population yi

The problem with racism is it's not just immoral, it's also short-sighted. It's not like the US South is the richest. Newsflash: investing in your population yields huge dividends. China gets this.

rayiner 1y ago
China does the opposite of DEI. It’s a country where dozens of different ethnic groups all pretend to be “Han Chinese” to facilitate social harmony.
- majormajor 1y ago
  Whenever things like that have been tried in the US certain folks have refused to pretend and put up walls instead...
- pphysch 1y ago
  This is quite the canard. How many actual spoken languages does PRC have on its currency vs USA?
- Herring 1y ago
  That's like saying "lots of different ethnic groups pretend to be Democrats". No, they just don't have that entrenched legacy of slavery.
  - zaphar 1y ago
    I'm trying to figure out how your comment has any relevance to the the coment it's replying to and I can't find it. Is "Han Chinese" a political ideology instead of an ethnic identity and I was just unaware?
    - Herring 1y ago
      It's self-explanatory. People of very different backgrounds can come together to make fair political/economic/social decisions. If you don't get this, it's on you. I literally can't make it any simpler.
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      - zaphar 1y ago
        So you are in fact claiming that "Han Chinese" is a political ideology rather than an ethnicity? Because that is the only way your point makes any kind of sense.
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- canjobear 1y ago
  They have explicit quota systems and affirmative action for the official 55 non-Han minorities, and also for people from less wealthy provinces. Sometimes people fake residency in a poorer province to game the system.
  - hollerith 1y ago
    It is also true that tens of millions of young adults would like to move to a Tier 1 city to increase their economic prospects, but Beijing does not let them.
  - rayiner 1y ago
    The affirmative action programs are largely inconsequential because non-Han only account for 9% of the population. In contrast to DEI in the U.S., where about 45% of the youngest generation belongs to groups that would qualify for racial preferences. Also, the goal of the Chinese system is assimilation into the Han Chinese dominant culture. And they have reeducation camps for minorities that insist on cultural separatism.
    - Herring 1y ago
      Sociologists will tell you race is a “social construct”. People can wake up tomorrow and start discriminating on the smallest shades you and I wouldn’t care about - in China there’s already a preference for light skin. In the UK they discriminate on accent/location (just within London!), and in China there’s plenty of regional dialects to choose from. Or look at class in the UK. The point is at the end of the day their govt will build trains to every little village because that’s the consensus, they just don’t call it DEI. Westerners call it “ghost towns”… which then fill up promptly. Is the China model perfect? Absolutely not. But it makes some strong points https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/08/the-china-models-challenge-to-democratic-capitalism/ https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/08/the-china-models-...
      - rayiner 1y ago
        Ethnicity is a biological construct. You can see my ethnic group as a tight cluster in a genetic chart: https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/07/09/the-main-interesting-thing-about-bangladeshi-genetics-is-how-east-asian-bangladeshis-are https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/07/09/the-main-interesti.... > The point is at the end of the day their govt will build trains to every little village because that’s the consensus, they just don’t call it DEI “DEI” is the promotion of distinct identities with an emphasis on differences (the “D” means “diversity”). In contrast to assimilating into a common, dominant identity. Investing in underdeveloped geographic regions isn’t DEI at all. I agree the Chinese system is vastly better than what we call DEI.
bArray 1y ago
Newsflash: China is conducting a ethnic genocide against the Uyghur Muslims [1], where they are held in concentration camps and likely harvest their organs. If that's what population investment looks like, count me out. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22278037 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22278037

The problem with racism is it's not just immoral, it's also short-sighted. It's not like the US South is the richest. Newsflash: investing in your population yields huge dividends. China gets this.

rayiner 1y ago

China does the opposite of DEI. It’s a country where dozens of different ethnic groups all pretend to be “Han Chinese” to facilitate social harmony.

majormajor 1y ago
Whenever things like that have been tried in the US certain folks have refused to pretend and put up walls instead...
pphysch 1y ago
This is quite the canard. How many actual spoken languages does PRC have on its currency vs USA?
Herring 1y ago
That's like saying "lots of different ethnic groups pretend to be Democrats". No, they just don't have that entrenched legacy of slavery.
- zaphar 1y ago
  I'm trying to figure out how your comment has any relevance to the the coment it's replying to and I can't find it. Is "Han Chinese" a political ideology instead of an ethnic identity and I was just unaware?
  - Herring 1y ago
    It's self-explanatory. People of very different backgrounds can come together to make fair political/economic/social decisions. If you don't get this, it's on you. I literally can't make it any simpler.
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    - zaphar 1y ago
      So you are in fact claiming that "Han Chinese" is a political ideology rather than an ethnicity? Because that is the only way your point makes any kind of sense.
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canjobear 1y ago
They have explicit quota systems and affirmative action for the official 55 non-Han minorities, and also for people from less wealthy provinces. Sometimes people fake residency in a poorer province to game the system.
- hollerith 1y ago
  It is also true that tens of millions of young adults would like to move to a Tier 1 city to increase their economic prospects, but Beijing does not let them.
- rayiner 1y ago
  The affirmative action programs are largely inconsequential because non-Han only account for 9% of the population. In contrast to DEI in the U.S., where about 45% of the youngest generation belongs to groups that would qualify for racial preferences. Also, the goal of the Chinese system is assimilation into the Han Chinese dominant culture. And they have reeducation camps for minorities that insist on cultural separatism.
  - Herring 1y ago
    Sociologists will tell you race is a “social construct”. People can wake up tomorrow and start discriminating on the smallest shades you and I wouldn’t care about - in China there’s already a preference for light skin. In the UK they discriminate on accent/location (just within London!), and in China there’s plenty of regional dialects to choose from. Or look at class in the UK. The point is at the end of the day their govt will build trains to every little village because that’s the consensus, they just don’t call it DEI. Westerners call it “ghost towns”… which then fill up promptly. Is the China model perfect? Absolutely not. But it makes some strong points https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/08/the-china-models-challenge-to-democratic-capitalism/ https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/08/the-china-models-...
    - rayiner 1y ago
      Ethnicity is a biological construct. You can see my ethnic group as a tight cluster in a genetic chart: https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/07/09/the-main-interesting-thing-about-bangladeshi-genetics-is-how-east-asian-bangladeshis-are https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/07/09/the-main-interesti.... > The point is at the end of the day their govt will build trains to every little village because that’s the consensus, they just don’t call it DEI “DEI” is the promotion of distinct identities with an emphasis on differences (the “D” means “diversity”). In contrast to assimilating into a common, dominant identity. Investing in underdeveloped geographic regions isn’t DEI at all. I agree the Chinese system is vastly better than what we call DEI.

bArray 1y ago

Newsflash: China is conducting a ethnic genocide against the Uyghur Muslims [1], where they are held in concentration camps and likely harvest their organs. If that's what population investment looks like, count me out. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22278037 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22278037