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10 years ago a couple of sites I occasionally viewed used "agate", which is now called Axate. https://www.axate.com/ https://www.axate.com/ It worked well, I

by ta1243 1y ago

10 years ago a couple of sites I occasionally viewed used "agate", which is now called Axate. https://www.axate.com/ https://www.axate.com/ It worked well, I loaded it with about $3 and used it a few times. Clearly not something publishers are fans of though as it's far easier to carefully select 987 partners to sell your data to.

rkomorn 1y ago
I had hoped that Brave's BAT would get some kind of traction for similar use cases but it seems to be quickly going nowhere.
Workaccount2 1y ago
The reality is that most people just want stuff free. They say stuff like they whitelist, or donate (it certainly brings lots os social praise) but if you have ever been on the other side, you know that virtually nobody does this.
- rkomorn 1y ago
  There's also a very real factor that we now consume from dozens if not hundreds of sources per month. The overhead, as a consumer, of managing any of this as actual subscriptions, transactions, or membership to some (likely multiple) sort of ecosystem would be substantial, even beyond just the money aspect.
  - nemomarx 1y ago
    It opens up room for bundling maybe? People want to pay one subscription for everything whenever possible, like Netflix originally vs now. If you could pay 10 a month for a major newspaper + YouTube + some other tech sites that could be pretty attractive. (or whatever combinations - news and sports, porn and tech, IDK)
    - rkomorn 1y ago
      Maybe. I don't know how fantastic Apple's combined subscriptions are doing. Their news one is already priced higher than that (but I guess you get a lot of news sources).
  - ta1243 1y ago
    Hence platforms like axate, which make micropayments trivial. Want to read that NYT article? Fine, pay the 30 cents and read it. Want to read all the NYT articles? Subscribe for $20 a week. If Youtube wasn't owned by an advert company you could have the same -- creators could have a "pay 50c to watch this 30 minute video without adverts". I believe (haven't had youtube adverts for years) that the ad rates for western viewers are under 1 cent per view, with 1 advert every 5 minutes, so a 30 minute video would be 6 adverts or 5 cents. Youtube even has the funding built in via the "tip" mechanism.

by ta1243 1y ago

rkomorn 1y ago

I had hoped that Brave's BAT would get some kind of traction for similar use cases but it seems to be quickly going nowhere.

Workaccount2 1y ago

The reality is that most people just want stuff free. They say stuff like they whitelist, or donate (it certainly brings lots os social praise) but if you have ever been on the other side, you know that virtually nobody does this.

rkomorn 1y ago
There's also a very real factor that we now consume from dozens if not hundreds of sources per month. The overhead, as a consumer, of managing any of this as actual subscriptions, transactions, or membership to some (likely multiple) sort of ecosystem would be substantial, even beyond just the money aspect.
- nemomarx 1y ago
  It opens up room for bundling maybe? People want to pay one subscription for everything whenever possible, like Netflix originally vs now. If you could pay 10 a month for a major newspaper + YouTube + some other tech sites that could be pretty attractive. (or whatever combinations - news and sports, porn and tech, IDK)
  - rkomorn 1y ago
    Maybe. I don't know how fantastic Apple's combined subscriptions are doing. Their news one is already priced higher than that (but I guess you get a lot of news sources).
- ta1243 1y ago
  Hence platforms like axate, which make micropayments trivial. Want to read that NYT article? Fine, pay the 30 cents and read it. Want to read all the NYT articles? Subscribe for $20 a week. If Youtube wasn't owned by an advert company you could have the same -- creators could have a "pay 50c to watch this 30 minute video without adverts". I believe (haven't had youtube adverts for years) that the ad rates for western viewers are under 1 cent per view, with 1 advert every 5 minutes, so a 30 minute video would be 6 adverts or 5 cents. Youtube even has the funding built in via the "tip" mechanism.