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No, it still causes confusion from new programmers, HR, execs who thinks JavaScript === writing Java Scripts. We're all in on TypeScript now and I don't think

No, it still causes confusion from new programmers, HR, execs who thinks JavaScript === writing Java Scripts. We're all in on TypeScript now and I don't think they're teaching Java much in university or boot camps anymore so it doesn't matter much anyway. But when every other intern came in thinking programming WAS Java.... Not great. Having to never utter "JavaScript" again wasn't the primary motivation to move to TS, but it is a nice side benefit. NB: But I had an intern say to me one day "did you know TypeScript is just JavaScript with types and a linter?" And I just smiled.

ddtaylor 1y ago
> No, it still causes confusion from new programmers, HR, execs who thinks JavaScript === writing Java Scripts. Anyone that stupid in 2025 is hopeless.
- latexr 1y ago
  Intelligence has nothing to do with it. You can’t deduce JavaScript and Java aren’t related, you have to be told/read that.
  - javcasas 1y ago
    Neither you can deduce that car and carpet aren't related. For god's sake, even cars have carpets inside to add to the confusion!
    - latexr 1y ago
      Please don’t strawman. It’s that kind of exaggerated bad faith argument that propagates anti-intellectualism in society. I can’t believe I’m having to explain this, but you can show people a car and a carpet and they’ll understand how they differ. But if you show them two different programming languages, most people won’t be able to tell the difference. Just like most people see Chinese and Japanese, Swedish and Finnish, Portuguese and Spanish, and don’t know enough to distinguish one from the other, despite them having different names. They’re just similar-looking symbols organised in different ways.
      - javcasas 1y ago
        > Please don’t strawman. It’s that kind of exaggerated bad faith argument that propagates anti-intellectualism in society. Sure. Now I'm guilty of all the anti-intellectualism we are seeing, and the propagandists get to walk free, but ok.
      - dennis_jeeves2 1y ago
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        ddtaylor 1y ago
        > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. and > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." HN Guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - ddtaylor 1y ago
        Why is someone who has no understanding of anything related to the material running HR at this fictional company?
  - ddtaylor 1y ago
    You can if you work in this industry and care about anything you do.
  - brazukadev 1y ago
    It takes 30 seconds to learn it for life
- Cheer2171 1y ago
  And yet they are everywhere. I really wish I was allowed to do my own resume screening. Instead HR tells me who to interview.
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creesch 1y ago
> I don't think they're teaching Java much in university or boot camps anymore so it doesn't matter much anyway That might just be the bubble you are in. Java is still one of the biggest languages used in corporations across the globes for anything backend related. If it is because it is a modern COBOL or because it actually is a stable language with a solid ecosystem might be a matter of some debate. In the circles I navigate it is still heavily featured in various bootcamps.
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rs186 1y ago
Sure, some recruiters don't know the difference between Java and JavaScript and have no idea of what those job requirements mean. But it looks like a competency issue to me. Have you ever seen a Google opening that confuses Java and JavaScript?
smsm42 1y ago
What are they teaching then? I mean, if you're doing a backend - and I don't mean tiny wrapper that wraps user input into queries, I mean the database engine itself - it's Java/Scala or C++ (hopefully not C)? Maybe Go? What else do they choose to teach for heavy industrial backend use?

ddtaylor 1y ago

> No, it still causes confusion from new programmers, HR, execs who thinks JavaScript === writing Java Scripts. Anyone that stupid in 2025 is hopeless.

latexr 1y ago
Intelligence has nothing to do with it. You can’t deduce JavaScript and Java aren’t related, you have to be told/read that.
- javcasas 1y ago
  Neither you can deduce that car and carpet aren't related. For god's sake, even cars have carpets inside to add to the confusion!
  - latexr 1y ago
    Please don’t strawman. It’s that kind of exaggerated bad faith argument that propagates anti-intellectualism in society. I can’t believe I’m having to explain this, but you can show people a car and a carpet and they’ll understand how they differ. But if you show them two different programming languages, most people won’t be able to tell the difference. Just like most people see Chinese and Japanese, Swedish and Finnish, Portuguese and Spanish, and don’t know enough to distinguish one from the other, despite them having different names. They’re just similar-looking symbols organised in different ways.
    - javcasas 1y ago
      > Please don’t strawman. It’s that kind of exaggerated bad faith argument that propagates anti-intellectualism in society. Sure. Now I'm guilty of all the anti-intellectualism we are seeing, and the propagandists get to walk free, but ok.
    - dennis_jeeves2 1y ago
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      - ddtaylor 1y ago
        > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. and > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." HN Guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - ddtaylor 1y ago
      Why is someone who has no understanding of anything related to the material running HR at this fictional company?
- ddtaylor 1y ago
  You can if you work in this industry and care about anything you do.
- brazukadev 1y ago
  It takes 30 seconds to learn it for life
Cheer2171 1y ago
And yet they are everywhere. I really wish I was allowed to do my own resume screening. Instead HR tells me who to interview.

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creesch 1y ago

> I don't think they're teaching Java much in university or boot camps anymore so it doesn't matter much anyway That might just be the bubble you are in. Java is still one of the biggest languages used in corporations across the globes for anything backend related. If it is because it is a modern COBOL or because it actually is a stable language with a solid ecosystem might be a matter of some debate. In the circles I navigate it is still heavily featured in various bootcamps.

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rs186 1y ago

Sure, some recruiters don't know the difference between Java and JavaScript and have no idea of what those job requirements mean. But it looks like a competency issue to me. Have you ever seen a Google opening that confuses Java and JavaScript?

smsm42 1y ago

What are they teaching then? I mean, if you're doing a backend - and I don't mean tiny wrapper that wraps user input into queries, I mean the database engine itself - it's Java/Scala or C++ (hopefully not C)? Maybe Go? What else do they choose to teach for heavy industrial backend use?