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Usual things in rails is really simple but doing unusual things requires going down a rabbit hole of google searching, rdoc, blogs, etc due to the modularity (I

Usual things in rails is really simple but doing unusual things requires going down a rabbit hole of google searching, rdoc, blogs, etc due to the modularity (I had this issue with thor) of rails.

simonsarris 14y ago
This exactly describes my experience with Rails. It was so easy to do very normal things, and finding and extending gems was so much easier than doing the same with apps for Django, because in Django I basically had to rewrite every app I wanted to use (plugabiltiy was really bad, at least back in 2009-ish). But with rails as soon as I wanted to do something less than extremely typical I was in a world of terror an ambiguity. It was so hard to figure out the "right" way to accomplish a lot of tasks.
- nwmcsween 14y ago
  The ambiguity wrt choices is what gives rails it's large ecosystem (as well as semi high 'addon' churn). It's both bad and good, bad due to the huge amount of reading needed to fully understand a stack such as devise and good in that it allows such modularity.
  - cheald 14y ago
    This is a lot of the reason that I don't recommend that students use something like Devise right off the bat. Putting things in middlewares is pretty great for separation of concerns, but it's confusing as hell if you need to figure out how something is done, and it's nowhere to be found in your source.
- kine 14y ago
  I think there are a lot of established "right" ways to do normal or fairly normal things, I think though with anything it's about figuring out what's right in the context of what you're building when you're off the beaten path. That's at least been my experience.
kmfrk 14y ago
This sounds just like Django. I wonder if this is just something that inevitably happens with comprehensive frameworks? I remember I once suggested that the people behind GitHub consider whether they could leverage their pull requests as a practical alternative to Stack Overflow, but they basically told me (in a formal boilerplate response) to fuck off.

Usual things in rails is really simple but doing unusual things requires going down a rabbit hole of google searching, rdoc, blogs, etc due to the modularity (I had this issue with thor) of rails.

simonsarris 14y ago

This exactly describes my experience with Rails. It was so easy to do very normal things, and finding and extending gems was so much easier than doing the same with apps for Django, because in Django I basically had to rewrite every app I wanted to use (plugabiltiy was really bad, at least back in 2009-ish). But with rails as soon as I wanted to do something less than extremely typical I was in a world of terror an ambiguity. It was so hard to figure out the "right" way to accomplish a lot of tasks.

nwmcsween 14y ago
The ambiguity wrt choices is what gives rails it's large ecosystem (as well as semi high 'addon' churn). It's both bad and good, bad due to the huge amount of reading needed to fully understand a stack such as devise and good in that it allows such modularity.
- cheald 14y ago
  This is a lot of the reason that I don't recommend that students use something like Devise right off the bat. Putting things in middlewares is pretty great for separation of concerns, but it's confusing as hell if you need to figure out how something is done, and it's nowhere to be found in your source.
kine 14y ago
I think there are a lot of established "right" ways to do normal or fairly normal things, I think though with anything it's about figuring out what's right in the context of what you're building when you're off the beaten path. That's at least been my experience.

kmfrk 14y ago

This sounds just like Django. I wonder if this is just something that inevitably happens with comprehensive frameworks? I remember I once suggested that the people behind GitHub consider whether they could leverage their pull requests as a practical alternative to Stack Overflow, but they basically told me (in a formal boilerplate response) to fuck off.