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Happy to help. Step 1: In 2023, notice a crypto spam post on Mastodon with a weird account name. Step 2: Look up what could have made that post, which was bri

Happy to help. Step 1: In 2023, notice a crypto spam post on Mastodon with a weird account name. Step 2: Look up what could have made that post, which was bridged from some other service. Step 3: Set up a key, grab a client (I used a web client that deployed to Netlify's free tier). Step 4: Follow some howtos, add relays, follow some accounts that repeat other accounts, try to figure out how discovery works. Step 5: Start seeing really disturbing content. Step 6: Delete all this stuff, and write it off in the same bucket as Freenet. Step 7: Wait some years. Step 8: Get called a liar on a web forum.

t1E9mE7JTRjf 1y ago
What relays were you on? I have never seen CP on nostr. Did you start off following the crypto spammer mentioned or that was just what caused you to find nostr? I'd be curious how you built your initial follow list, as that and the relays you were on is the source of what you see. Kind of like if you go to weird ass websites you'll see that content, but nostr itself doesn't expose anything to a user, it's only a network for content read/write.
- stonogo 1y ago
  I did not keep detailed notes, but there were a couple Gists and a couple blogs that listed relays and stuff to follow. I'm perfectly willing to accept that there was bad stuff in thoses lists, but I don't really care about the mechanisms behind it. Easier just to move on.
nunobrito 1y ago
Come on, so much effort writing and yet so vague. The easiest way to try NOSTR is using any of the common web platforms like https://primal.net https://primal.net or https://yakihonne.com/ https://yakihonne.com/ Heck, you can even install NOSTR clients directly from the App and Play store since years. It is very unbelievable that you followed such a complicated process, even went to effort of deploying to a server (what?!?) and then somehow you see disturbing content without looking explicitly for it. In case you are sincere, try it again using any of the common methods.
- throwaway290 1y ago
  Do you really think somebody would try out a new platform 2 years ago, immediately drop it due to shady stuff and remember all the non trivial steps involved in this process? > you can even install NOSTR clients directly from the App and Play store since years Since feb 2023, apparently;)
  - nunobrito 1y ago
    He just detailed a very weird and vague way that is unbelievable. I'm a user since January 2023, there were plenty of well-known web clients already available back at that time (e.g. coracle, amethyst, etc). You enter the clients, there is a WoT by default and shows the most proeminent conversations typically. My experience was never as the one he describes. Not even at the beginning, as you can see for many others here on this same publication. Those few (3?) cases mentioning otherwise will never provide real details for their claims.
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      it is possible if it is a protocol not a platform. Like there can be illegal stuff over http, there can be illegal stuff over nostr and a normal person can come across it. Actually way more likely on nostr because on web we have centralized https certs and dns which is used all the time to block cp and the like It's funny when people first say "nostr is just a protocol and completely not subject to censorship" then "there is no way a new user would encounter bad stuff on nostr". pick one?
    - jazzyjackson 1y ago
      I know if I encountered CP on a burgeoning social network the first thing I would do is go on my blog and detail the steps to reproduce.
      - throwaway290 1y ago
        nostr is not a social network. per words of every nostr promoter. it's a protocol. it's like email also you'll be committing an offence. the first thing you do is report it to authorities, not doing it is illegal. so that's half your day gone. then blogging about how to find it before it's taken down probably also illegal. literally no one wants any of this on a random day)
staticelf 1y ago
Sweden has a website called "dumpen.se" which tricks and publishes pedophile that are trying to abuse children. The leftist media hates this website because they are doing an effective job. They are calling them all kinds of things. When people are effective in tracking or publishing about pedos, there are always a lot of people saying you are the problem, not the pedos. I wonder why. There are a lot of pedos out there (just look at dumpens work it's kinda obvious) and they are of course using services that are anonymized and decentralized like any other. Usually they are also very active online and attack people that try to cut their illegal actions online. Just look at my original post, it is downvoted. I just wanted some kind of action towards cutting pedo content and it is frowned upon by these people.
- nunobrito 1y ago
  Very much unrelated to NOSTR which is a transparent network with a Web Of Trust enabled as default for users. It is a grave and unfair accusation to associate NOSTR with such nefarious activities, that was the reason why so many protested against that labelling.
- jasonvorhe 1y ago
  I don't see what any of this has to do with nostr.

t1E9mE7JTRjf 1y ago

What relays were you on? I have never seen CP on nostr. Did you start off following the crypto spammer mentioned or that was just what caused you to find nostr? I'd be curious how you built your initial follow list, as that and the relays you were on is the source of what you see. Kind of like if you go to weird ass websites you'll see that content, but nostr itself doesn't expose anything to a user, it's only a network for content read/write.

stonogo 1y ago
I did not keep detailed notes, but there were a couple Gists and a couple blogs that listed relays and stuff to follow. I'm perfectly willing to accept that there was bad stuff in thoses lists, but I don't really care about the mechanisms behind it. Easier just to move on.

nunobrito 1y ago

Come on, so much effort writing and yet so vague. The easiest way to try NOSTR is using any of the common web platforms like https://primal.net https://primal.net or https://yakihonne.com/ https://yakihonne.com/ Heck, you can even install NOSTR clients directly from the App and Play store since years. It is very unbelievable that you followed such a complicated process, even went to effort of deploying to a server (what?!?) and then somehow you see disturbing content without looking explicitly for it. In case you are sincere, try it again using any of the common methods.

throwaway290 1y ago
Do you really think somebody would try out a new platform 2 years ago, immediately drop it due to shady stuff and remember all the non trivial steps involved in this process? > you can even install NOSTR clients directly from the App and Play store since years Since feb 2023, apparently;)
- nunobrito 1y ago
  He just detailed a very weird and vague way that is unbelievable. I'm a user since January 2023, there were plenty of well-known web clients already available back at that time (e.g. coracle, amethyst, etc). You enter the clients, there is a WoT by default and shows the most proeminent conversations typically. My experience was never as the one he describes. Not even at the beginning, as you can see for many others here on this same publication. Those few (3?) cases mentioning otherwise will never provide real details for their claims.
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    it is possible if it is a protocol not a platform. Like there can be illegal stuff over http, there can be illegal stuff over nostr and a normal person can come across it. Actually way more likely on nostr because on web we have centralized https certs and dns which is used all the time to block cp and the like It's funny when people first say "nostr is just a protocol and completely not subject to censorship" then "there is no way a new user would encounter bad stuff on nostr". pick one?
  - jazzyjackson 1y ago
    I know if I encountered CP on a burgeoning social network the first thing I would do is go on my blog and detail the steps to reproduce.
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      nostr is not a social network. per words of every nostr promoter. it's a protocol. it's like email also you'll be committing an offence. the first thing you do is report it to authorities, not doing it is illegal. so that's half your day gone. then blogging about how to find it before it's taken down probably also illegal. literally no one wants any of this on a random day)

staticelf 1y ago

Sweden has a website called "dumpen.se" which tricks and publishes pedophile that are trying to abuse children. The leftist media hates this website because they are doing an effective job. They are calling them all kinds of things. When people are effective in tracking or publishing about pedos, there are always a lot of people saying you are the problem, not the pedos. I wonder why. There are a lot of pedos out there (just look at dumpens work it's kinda obvious) and they are of course using services that are anonymized and decentralized like any other. Usually they are also very active online and attack people that try to cut their illegal actions online. Just look at my original post, it is downvoted. I just wanted some kind of action towards cutting pedo content and it is frowned upon by these people.

nunobrito 1y ago
Very much unrelated to NOSTR which is a transparent network with a Web Of Trust enabled as default for users. It is a grave and unfair accusation to associate NOSTR with such nefarious activities, that was the reason why so many protested against that labelling.
jasonvorhe 1y ago
I don't see what any of this has to do with nostr.