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The mocking, gleeful negativity here concerns me. I am worried that with some of these more polarized topics that the discussions on HN are becoming closer to t

by johnfn 1y ago

The mocking, gleeful negativity here concerns me. I am worried that with some of these more polarized topics that the discussions on HN are becoming closer to those on Reddit. The fact that the highest upvoted post on this thread is just a link to Reddit isn't doing much to help me feel better. And I've been here for at least a decade, so I don't think this is the noob illusion. I have no illusions about Zuckerberg. He's done some pretty bad stuff for humanity. But I think AI is pretty cool, and I'm glad he's pushing it forward, despite mishaps. People don't have to be black or white, and just because they did something bad in one domain doesn't make everything they touch permanently awful.

throwuxiytayq 1y ago
You just don’t seem to understand. Mark wouldn’t hesitate to grind you down to the last atom in order to extract every last bit of value out of you. And you defend the guy because he gave you freebies, or something. I have no words.
- johnfn 1y ago
  This is exactly the behavior I'm describing.
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- red_rech 1y ago
  These are the sort of people repeatedly falling for the most obvious scams
fluoridation 1y ago
>becoming closer to those on Reddit People are people. If you have two communities that anyone can join, eventually the only difference between them (if any) will be the rules.
theideaofcoffee 1y ago
I'm surprised that there isn't more. Everything that this person has touched has made life that much worse for humanity as a whole. He deserves every ounce of criticism and mockery, moreso because he makes himself out to be this savior figure. We should sneer at every attempt at theirs (and other's) awful AI because it's lighting this world on fire. The popping of the bubble cannot come soon enough.
- johnfn 1y ago
  The point of the video isn't even AI, it's VR.
samsin 1y ago
This thread [1] on Zuckerberg from 7+ years ago doesn't look too different. Top comments saying it's "pretty cringe-y", another posting an image from Reddit and some "Twitter bingo cards". The nature of the situation doesn't really offer much for deep analysis, but the discussion yesterday [2] on the product itself seems fine to me. You might disagree since people are more skeptical rather than being glad Meta is pushing it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16803775 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16803775 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45283306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45283306
- johnfn 1y ago
  I don't think that's a fair comparison at all. The Cambridge Analytica stuff was probably some of the ethically worst stuff that Zuckerberg and Meta has ever done, and they absolutely deserved to get raked over the coals for it. AI glasses and VR are nowhere in the same ballpark. In fact, that the two discussions are tonally similar seems to support my argument. The discussion yesterday was fine. If that was the only conversation we had, I wouldn't be worried.
ModernMech 1y ago
HNers lamenting that HN is becoming more like Reddit is one of the longest standing HN traditions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1023252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1023252
- johnfn 1y ago
  Sure, but check my account age. It's not like I joined the site 6 months ago. In fact, I was around when that comment was made.

by johnfn 1y ago

throwuxiytayq 1y ago

You just don’t seem to understand. Mark wouldn’t hesitate to grind you down to the last atom in order to extract every last bit of value out of you. And you defend the guy because he gave you freebies, or something. I have no words.

johnfn 1y ago
This is exactly the behavior I'm describing.
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red_rech 1y ago
These are the sort of people repeatedly falling for the most obvious scams

fluoridation 1y ago

>becoming closer to those on Reddit People are people. If you have two communities that anyone can join, eventually the only difference between them (if any) will be the rules.

theideaofcoffee 1y ago

I'm surprised that there isn't more. Everything that this person has touched has made life that much worse for humanity as a whole. He deserves every ounce of criticism and mockery, moreso because he makes himself out to be this savior figure. We should sneer at every attempt at theirs (and other's) awful AI because it's lighting this world on fire. The popping of the bubble cannot come soon enough.

johnfn 1y ago
The point of the video isn't even AI, it's VR.

samsin 1y ago

This thread [1] on Zuckerberg from 7+ years ago doesn't look too different. Top comments saying it's "pretty cringe-y", another posting an image from Reddit and some "Twitter bingo cards". The nature of the situation doesn't really offer much for deep analysis, but the discussion yesterday [2] on the product itself seems fine to me. You might disagree since people are more skeptical rather than being glad Meta is pushing it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16803775 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16803775 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45283306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45283306

johnfn 1y ago
I don't think that's a fair comparison at all. The Cambridge Analytica stuff was probably some of the ethically worst stuff that Zuckerberg and Meta has ever done, and they absolutely deserved to get raked over the coals for it. AI glasses and VR are nowhere in the same ballpark. In fact, that the two discussions are tonally similar seems to support my argument. The discussion yesterday was fine. If that was the only conversation we had, I wouldn't be worried.

ModernMech 1y ago

HNers lamenting that HN is becoming more like Reddit is one of the longest standing HN traditions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1023252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1023252

johnfn 1y ago
Sure, but check my account age. It's not like I joined the site 6 months ago. In fact, I was around when that comment was made.