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I don't want to try to start an argument or be insulting, but I don't believe you really grasp the question or the concepts you are talking about. Have you read

by heoahs 14y ago

I don't want to try to start an argument or be insulting, but I don't believe you really grasp the question or the concepts you are talking about. Have you read the Bible to get a picture of who Christians think God is? That picture is rather incompatible with a "series of forces."

tomasien 14y ago
However, over time we've begun to be able to explain the phenomena described in the Torah better, have been able to understand each people's place in the world better, and have become able to understand secular law and order. So we've replaced many of the understandings that, dozens of centuries ago, made sense.
heoahs 14y ago
That isn't a comment on whether they are right, just that what you are describing and what they believe are very very much different.
tomasien 14y ago
I have 2x and have made a semi-serious about the circumstances surrounding the writing and compiling of the various parts of what we call "The Bible" Examples of how they fit my understanding laid out above The Torah: How the Earth came about, why it came about, and the best ways to live in society governed by the first two. God, someone made in our image (we're the most intelligent beings we knew of, it was actually good science to believe without more proof that God would look like us), made the world, put us in charge purposefully (as we operate purposefully) and now here are some things that will keep society from falling apart. And you HAVE to do them because God said so (makes sense, keeps things simple and in order) The Prophets: Why the fuck is everything so bad for the Jews? Because of something that will happen in the future, so don't give up faith. This makes sense given the context of the Torah and given the need to not give up hope. The New Testament: The prophets said we'd have a savior, and he delivers: but only in the way he could. Leading a military uprising wasn't feasible at the time, but leading a spiritual one was: hey guys, given the context of the Torah and the Prophets, we're going to have a revolution but not of this world. Of the next.

by heoahs 14y ago

tomasien 14y ago

However, over time we've begun to be able to explain the phenomena described in the Torah better, have been able to understand each people's place in the world better, and have become able to understand secular law and order. So we've replaced many of the understandings that, dozens of centuries ago, made sense.

heoahs 14y ago

That isn't a comment on whether they are right, just that what you are describing and what they believe are very very much different.

tomasien 14y ago

I have 2x and have made a semi-serious about the circumstances surrounding the writing and compiling of the various parts of what we call "The Bible" Examples of how they fit my understanding laid out above The Torah: How the Earth came about, why it came about, and the best ways to live in society governed by the first two. God, someone made in our image (we're the most intelligent beings we knew of, it was actually good science to believe without more proof that God would look like us), made the world, put us in charge purposefully (as we operate purposefully) and now here are some things that will keep society from falling apart. And you HAVE to do them because God said so (makes sense, keeps things simple and in order) The Prophets: Why the fuck is everything so bad for the Jews? Because of something that will happen in the future, so don't give up faith. This makes sense given the context of the Torah and given the need to not give up hope. The New Testament: The prophets said we'd have a savior, and he delivers: but only in the way he could. Leading a military uprising wasn't feasible at the time, but leading a spiritual one was: hey guys, given the context of the Torah and the Prophets, we're going to have a revolution but not of this world. Of the next.