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Slack just publicly apologized for this and said it was a mistake and they will be returning hack club to the previously agreed upon plan. Hack club staff are c

Slack just publicly apologized for this and said it was a mistake and they will be returning hack club to the previously agreed upon plan. Hack club staff are currently discussing whether or not to go ahead with the migration to mattermost anyways. (- a hack club member)

dijit 1y ago
Only because it gained so much attention.
- Charmunk 1y ago
  No way to know for sure, but you are very likely correct
- Draiken 1y ago
  Regardless, if they didn't understand the risks before, surely they do now. The cat's out of the bag. Even if it was a mistake (it never is) this shows how they control YOUR data. I really hope they don't stay.
  - cainxinth 1y ago
    I assume there is a meeting going on right now at Slack where someone is asking: "So before we embarrass ourselves again, are there any other price hikes planned for educational and charitable organizations I should know about?"
    - nikanj 1y ago
      Hike prices for thousands of orgs, revert for the ones that make it to front page of HN. End up with way more money than not hiking prices for anyone
      - cainxinth 1y ago
        You sound like straight shooter with upper management written all over you.
nixosbestos 1y ago
Oh yeesh. If I ranked chat platforms, Mattermost would barely be above Slack. It's pathetic that Discord runs circles around Mattermost, Slack, and Matrix for practical usability, features that make it possible to actually use with teams (not Teams). Mattermost still can't do follow System Theme, (and Slack requires you impersonating Chrome). Of course neither can Gmail. Salesforce and Google are such tiny companies though, so I sympathize. It's craaazy what shit we put up with.
- ghostpepper 1y ago
  I wonder why Zulip isn't mentioned more in these comparisons. Personally I would pick Slack over Mattermost any day in terms of sheer usability, corporate lock-in notwithstanding. I find Discord's UX to be pretty awful in terms of visual clutter and notifications demanding attention - constantly being notified to subscribe to Nitro etc.
  - Charmunk 1y ago
    Discord was not in consideration due to all the paywalled features and the lack of control, as well as locking bots behind admins (as hackclub is a community of programmers, we encourage all users to make their own bots to improve the community) We discussed zulip a bit before deciding on mattermost, but the very subpar mobile app of zulip caused us to not go with it
    - coder543 1y ago
      > We discussed zulip a bit before deciding on mattermost, but the very subpar mobile app of zulip caused us to not go with it This keeps being repeated, but didn't Zulip just roll out[0] a brand new mobile app? Are you sure that was the app that was evaluated? What specifically was "subpar" about it when you tried it? Given the extreme limitations that Mattermost is trying to impose on the free self-hosted solution (250 users maximum!), Zulip seems like it needs to be considered again. I have not really had a chance to use either Mattermost or Zulip, I'm just pointing out what I see as an obvious mismatch between Hack Club's needs and what Mattermost provides. [0]: https://blog.zulip.com/2025/06/17/flutter-mobile-app-launched/ https://blog.zulip.com/2025/06/17/flutter-mobile-app-launche... [1]: "User limit reduced to 250 (from 1,000)." https://forum.mattermost.com/t/mattermost-v11-changes-in-free-offerings/25126#p-51226-h-2-mattermost-team-edition-mit-compiled-license-4 https://forum.mattermost.com/t/mattermost-v11-changes-in-fre...
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anematode 1y ago
I think it would be silly to not proceed with the migration, although hopefully there's less stress to do it quickly. Slack has shown they can't be trusted.
- troyvit 1y ago
  Yes! Only now they don't have to rush it quite as much.
- Charmunk 1y ago
  +1 this is my personal opinion, will post an update as a reply to my original comment once the team reaches a consensus
- mixcocam 1y ago
  I’m not sure they could have been trusted at any time, their inventives are not aligned with HackClub’s.
grimgrin 1y ago
can you please link to this public announcement
- coder543 1y ago
  https://reddit.com/r/Slack/comments/1njuchb/why_is_slack_extorting_a_nonprofit_that_supports/newvtof/ https://reddit.com/r/Slack/comments/1njuchb/why_is_slack_ext...
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Charmunk 1y ago
Hack club was offered 5 years of Enterprise+ to make up for the situation, and has decided not to migrate at this time
- tacker2000 1y ago
  And what will happen after these 5 years?
  - theshrike79 1y ago
    Now they have 5 years to prepare for transfer instead of days
- s_dev 1y ago
  I have no sympathy for Hack Club if they're caught out by this again and in 6 months Slack decide to revert back to the price increase when all the social media focus has died down.
  - jama211 1y ago
    They didn’t say they wouldn’t migrate docs etc to another solution, if I were them I’d keep it for chat only but with the attitude that if it’s burned at any moment then that’s fine, anything important is backed up or no longer there.
Waterluvian 1y ago
I’m more disgusted by the alleged humans at Slack when they inevitably reverse their decision like this and choose to lie about being incompetent over admitting to being malicious.

dijit 1y ago

Only because it gained so much attention.

Charmunk 1y ago
No way to know for sure, but you are very likely correct
Draiken 1y ago
Regardless, if they didn't understand the risks before, surely they do now. The cat's out of the bag. Even if it was a mistake (it never is) this shows how they control YOUR data. I really hope they don't stay.
- cainxinth 1y ago
  I assume there is a meeting going on right now at Slack where someone is asking: "So before we embarrass ourselves again, are there any other price hikes planned for educational and charitable organizations I should know about?"
  - nikanj 1y ago
    Hike prices for thousands of orgs, revert for the ones that make it to front page of HN. End up with way more money than not hiking prices for anyone
    - cainxinth 1y ago
      You sound like straight shooter with upper management written all over you.

nixosbestos 1y ago

Oh yeesh. If I ranked chat platforms, Mattermost would barely be above Slack. It's pathetic that Discord runs circles around Mattermost, Slack, and Matrix for practical usability, features that make it possible to actually use with teams (not Teams). Mattermost still can't do follow System Theme, (and Slack requires you impersonating Chrome). Of course neither can Gmail. Salesforce and Google are such tiny companies though, so I sympathize. It's craaazy what shit we put up with.

ghostpepper 1y ago
I wonder why Zulip isn't mentioned more in these comparisons. Personally I would pick Slack over Mattermost any day in terms of sheer usability, corporate lock-in notwithstanding. I find Discord's UX to be pretty awful in terms of visual clutter and notifications demanding attention - constantly being notified to subscribe to Nitro etc.
- Charmunk 1y ago
  Discord was not in consideration due to all the paywalled features and the lack of control, as well as locking bots behind admins (as hackclub is a community of programmers, we encourage all users to make their own bots to improve the community) We discussed zulip a bit before deciding on mattermost, but the very subpar mobile app of zulip caused us to not go with it
  - coder543 1y ago
    > We discussed zulip a bit before deciding on mattermost, but the very subpar mobile app of zulip caused us to not go with it This keeps being repeated, but didn't Zulip just roll out[0] a brand new mobile app? Are you sure that was the app that was evaluated? What specifically was "subpar" about it when you tried it? Given the extreme limitations that Mattermost is trying to impose on the free self-hosted solution (250 users maximum!), Zulip seems like it needs to be considered again. I have not really had a chance to use either Mattermost or Zulip, I'm just pointing out what I see as an obvious mismatch between Hack Club's needs and what Mattermost provides. [0]: https://blog.zulip.com/2025/06/17/flutter-mobile-app-launched/ https://blog.zulip.com/2025/06/17/flutter-mobile-app-launche... [1]: "User limit reduced to 250 (from 1,000)." https://forum.mattermost.com/t/mattermost-v11-changes-in-free-offerings/25126#p-51226-h-2-mattermost-team-edition-mit-compiled-license-4 https://forum.mattermost.com/t/mattermost-v11-changes-in-fre...

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anematode 1y ago

I think it would be silly to not proceed with the migration, although hopefully there's less stress to do it quickly. Slack has shown they can't be trusted.

troyvit 1y ago
Yes! Only now they don't have to rush it quite as much.
Charmunk 1y ago
+1 this is my personal opinion, will post an update as a reply to my original comment once the team reaches a consensus
mixcocam 1y ago
I’m not sure they could have been trusted at any time, their inventives are not aligned with HackClub’s.

grimgrin 1y ago

can you please link to this public announcement

coder543 1y ago
https://reddit.com/r/Slack/comments/1njuchb/why_is_slack_extorting_a_nonprofit_that_supports/newvtof/ https://reddit.com/r/Slack/comments/1njuchb/why_is_slack_ext...
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Charmunk 1y ago

Hack club was offered 5 years of Enterprise+ to make up for the situation, and has decided not to migrate at this time

tacker2000 1y ago
And what will happen after these 5 years?
- theshrike79 1y ago
  Now they have 5 years to prepare for transfer instead of days
s_dev 1y ago
I have no sympathy for Hack Club if they're caught out by this again and in 6 months Slack decide to revert back to the price increase when all the social media focus has died down.
- jama211 1y ago
  They didn’t say they wouldn’t migrate docs etc to another solution, if I were them I’d keep it for chat only but with the attitude that if it’s burned at any moment then that’s fine, anything important is backed up or no longer there.

Waterluvian 1y ago

I’m more disgusted by the alleged humans at Slack when they inevitably reverse their decision like this and choose to lie about being incompetent over admitting to being malicious.