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> Perhaps Google and Mozilla, leaders in JavaScript standards and implementations, will start developing a real standard library for JavaScript, which makes mic

> Perhaps Google and Mozilla, leaders in JavaScript standards and implementations, will start developing a real standard library for JavaScript, which makes micro-dependencies like left-pad a thing of the past. This could be combined with a consolidation of efforts, merging micro-libraries into larger packages with a more coherent and holistic scope and purpose, which prune their own dependency trees in turn. This is as big as a strawman as I can imagine. Both of these "solutions that won't happen" are already happening: - The ECMAScript standard already defines a `Strong.padStart()` as part of the "real" standard library of Javascript [1] - There is a very well known larger package that combines many micro-utilities like this into one, lodash [2] > No one will learn their lesson. This has been happening for decades and no one has learned anything from it yet. This is the defining hubris of this generation of software development. Really seems like the author wants to hate on the ecosystem for the sake of hating on it. [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/String/padStart https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Refe... [2] https://lodash.com/ https://lodash.com/

Uehreka 1y ago
Yeah, we’re at the point now where people saying left-pad isn’t fixed is more of an indicator that they aren’t paying attention. I’ve largely stopped correcting people, as it’s clear there’s a sizable community that just likes being grumpy about JS and doesn’t appreciate reality barging in to ruin the fun.
xcrjm 1y ago
The author is clearly not talking about left-pad like that library is still specifically an issue. He's raising it up as an example of a problem that is still occurring. He then makes the point that maybe we should have less packaged JS code in general and that more software solutions should exist (and should have always existed) as part of the standard library or well-maintained packages like Lodash (although he doesn't reference it by name, just the concept it exemplifies). It feels like you've missed the forest for the trees.
- alxndr 1y ago
  Isn’t this already (slowly) happening?

Uehreka 1y ago

Yeah, we’re at the point now where people saying left-pad isn’t fixed is more of an indicator that they aren’t paying attention. I’ve largely stopped correcting people, as it’s clear there’s a sizable community that just likes being grumpy about JS and doesn’t appreciate reality barging in to ruin the fun.

xcrjm 1y ago

The author is clearly not talking about left-pad like that library is still specifically an issue. He's raising it up as an example of a problem that is still occurring. He then makes the point that maybe we should have less packaged JS code in general and that more software solutions should exist (and should have always existed) as part of the standard library or well-maintained packages like Lodash (although he doesn't reference it by name, just the concept it exemplifies). It feels like you've missed the forest for the trees.

alxndr 1y ago
Isn’t this already (slowly) happening?