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That's better, but the toolbar/buttons could always be configured away. The real problem is the context menu. Has it been simplified or made configurable?

Liquid_Fire 1y ago
Out of interest, what do you use the context menu for in a terminal emulator so often that it bothers you? I can't even remember the last time I opened it.
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  I hide all UI and use only the context menu, 90% of the time to open a new tab, 5% of the time to split a tab, and 4% of the time to bring up the config dialog. 1% to open a new window, though I'm often doing Ctrl+Alt+T for that recently. This is what I've done since SGI 4DWM Terminal (and ancient NT Command Prompt), and almost all other terminal emulators can be configured to do so. Konsole stands alone (to my knowledge) in its insistence on cruft all over the interface. The terminal widget itself seems fine. To be clear, I don't mind obscure options, but they should live in the control panel. See my cousin comment for more details.
  - distances 1y ago
    You can eliminate that 90% by Ctrl+Shift+T.
    - mixmastamyk 1y ago
      Doesn't help when coming from a browser. Ctrl+Alt+T works without the Terminal in focus however. Ctrl+Shift+T needs me to click in the terminal first then go back to the keyboard. Waste of time.
      - distances 1y ago
        I almost always switch windows with Alt+Tab, not with a mouse, so it fits very well for that flow. Understandable if it doesn't do the trick for you though.
        mixmastamyk 1y ago
        I’m well aware of all these hotkeys. The issue is I’m using the mouse with my browser, scrolling clicking etc. Reading gives me an idea so I click on my terminal that’s always open. This is the best time to open a tab imho, and have been doing it for decades. Thankfully there are a dozen terminals to choose from that don’t make konsole’s minor mistakes. (Although chances are they made others.)
  - jraph 1y ago
    All these things have keyboard shortcuts If the context menu bothers you, it would seem worth it to use them for frequent actions. CTRL+Shift+T opens a new tab for instance. It's way more efficient anyway in an app that's so keyboard centric. I don't find that context menu so bad to be honest. If you use it often you should know where things are anyway. Overall I'm quite surprised at the hate Konsole receives in this HN thread. Removing the toolbars is two clicks away and only needs to be done once. Even the menu bar can be hidden. Such a konsole window would be just the terminal, no cruft, no UI elements. To me we are in the "some people will never be happy for no clear reasons" territory. I've been using it for years I'm very happy with it. Its search feature is awesome, and its ability to have infinite scroll history is very nice too, it has decent performance. The one terrible thing I have seen about konsole is that the toolbar buttons were highjacking the keyboard bindings in the terminal, but it was a bug, I think this is now fixed and a workaround was to remove the toolbar.
    - mixmastamyk 1y ago
      When I'm making a new tab, usually I'm coming from the browser or file-manager, so my hand is already on the mouse. Am clicking on the term anyway. No other mainstream GUI term has these clutter issues. They are small issues to be sure, but unnecessary.
      - jraph 1y ago
        Fair enough. I usually switch to the terminal using alt+tab.
      - account42 1y ago
        But surely you are going to use the keyboard once you have switched to the new tab? It's a terminal after all.
        mixmastamyk 1y ago
        When I start typing I want to execute the new idea immediately. No other tabbed terminal (that I’ve used) prevents this besides konsole, simply because the context menu is (un)optimized to include the kitchen sink instead of the one item I want. Folks trying to talk me into a new workflow can’t succeed because I’m multiplatform. Gnome terminal, iTerm2, Win Terminal, etc. konsole is the oddball and least used of the group. Partly because the context menu is a mess.
weaksauce 1y ago
I don't think it's super complex with a ton of options any more. Just installed cachyos(arch based) kde plasma and the right click menu looks like this https://i.imgur.com/S59wy2H.png https://i.imgur.com/S59wy2H.png so either they are configuring away a lot of the complexity or the updates to it have been slimming.
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  - Four, no really four ways to copy... - Change encoding? I have never changed the encoding of my terminal, not once since first using a computer, circa 1982. UTF8-FTW. - Adjust scrollback, on the context menu? - If you hide the toolbar/menu I believe it adds the main menu to the context menu. And that is where the majority of the hundred options live. And at the end, where a Properties or Preferences entry should live. - Last but not least, no "New Tab" entry, which is the thing I use it for 90% of the time.
  - weaksauce 1y ago
    double click the tab area and you get a new tab. ctrl-n gets you a new tab. i personally wouldn't ever use that feature. I like the extra modes of copying since they all have unique uses and prevent editing in cases. the encoding bit is odd yeah. adjust scrollback is not a common option i suppose. it would be nice to configure the right click menu more but that's not an option i see in many apps so it's a wash. I use the menu so i don't have those options. it may even be configurable via a file somewhere in .config... i haven't tried or been bothered by the defaults enough to do so.
  - lmm 1y ago
    > Four, no really four ways to copy... All of which are useful > Change encoding? I have never changed the encoding of my terminal, not once since first using a computer, circa 1982. Then you've never worked with Japanese. Which is fine, but a significant proportion of the world needs to. > UTF8-FTW Not for Japanese, sadly.
    - mixmastamyk 1y ago

Liquid_Fire 1y ago

Out of interest, what do you use the context menu for in a terminal emulator so often that it bothers you? I can't even remember the last time I opened it.

mixmastamyk 1y ago
I hide all UI and use only the context menu, 90% of the time to open a new tab, 5% of the time to split a tab, and 4% of the time to bring up the config dialog. 1% to open a new window, though I'm often doing Ctrl+Alt+T for that recently. This is what I've done since SGI 4DWM Terminal (and ancient NT Command Prompt), and almost all other terminal emulators can be configured to do so. Konsole stands alone (to my knowledge) in its insistence on cruft all over the interface. The terminal widget itself seems fine. To be clear, I don't mind obscure options, but they should live in the control panel. See my cousin comment for more details.
- distances 1y ago
  You can eliminate that 90% by Ctrl+Shift+T.
  - mixmastamyk 1y ago
    Doesn't help when coming from a browser. Ctrl+Alt+T works without the Terminal in focus however. Ctrl+Shift+T needs me to click in the terminal first then go back to the keyboard. Waste of time.
    - distances 1y ago
      I almost always switch windows with Alt+Tab, not with a mouse, so it fits very well for that flow. Understandable if it doesn't do the trick for you though.
      - mixmastamyk 1y ago
        I’m well aware of all these hotkeys. The issue is I’m using the mouse with my browser, scrolling clicking etc. Reading gives me an idea so I click on my terminal that’s always open. This is the best time to open a tab imho, and have been doing it for decades. Thankfully there are a dozen terminals to choose from that don’t make konsole’s minor mistakes. (Although chances are they made others.)
- jraph 1y ago
  All these things have keyboard shortcuts If the context menu bothers you, it would seem worth it to use them for frequent actions. CTRL+Shift+T opens a new tab for instance. It's way more efficient anyway in an app that's so keyboard centric. I don't find that context menu so bad to be honest. If you use it often you should know where things are anyway. Overall I'm quite surprised at the hate Konsole receives in this HN thread. Removing the toolbars is two clicks away and only needs to be done once. Even the menu bar can be hidden. Such a konsole window would be just the terminal, no cruft, no UI elements. To me we are in the "some people will never be happy for no clear reasons" territory. I've been using it for years I'm very happy with it. Its search feature is awesome, and its ability to have infinite scroll history is very nice too, it has decent performance. The one terrible thing I have seen about konsole is that the toolbar buttons were highjacking the keyboard bindings in the terminal, but it was a bug, I think this is now fixed and a workaround was to remove the toolbar.
  - mixmastamyk 1y ago
    When I'm making a new tab, usually I'm coming from the browser or file-manager, so my hand is already on the mouse. Am clicking on the term anyway. No other mainstream GUI term has these clutter issues. They are small issues to be sure, but unnecessary.
    - jraph 1y ago
      Fair enough. I usually switch to the terminal using alt+tab.
    - account42 1y ago
      But surely you are going to use the keyboard once you have switched to the new tab? It's a terminal after all.
      - mixmastamyk 1y ago
        When I start typing I want to execute the new idea immediately. No other tabbed terminal (that I’ve used) prevents this besides konsole, simply because the context menu is (un)optimized to include the kitchen sink instead of the one item I want. Folks trying to talk me into a new workflow can’t succeed because I’m multiplatform. Gnome terminal, iTerm2, Win Terminal, etc. konsole is the oddball and least used of the group. Partly because the context menu is a mess.

weaksauce 1y ago

I don't think it's super complex with a ton of options any more. Just installed cachyos(arch based) kde plasma and the right click menu looks like this https://i.imgur.com/S59wy2H.png https://i.imgur.com/S59wy2H.png so either they are configuring away a lot of the complexity or the updates to it have been slimming.

mixmastamyk 1y ago
- Four, no really four ways to copy... - Change encoding? I have never changed the encoding of my terminal, not once since first using a computer, circa 1982. UTF8-FTW. - Adjust scrollback, on the context menu? - If you hide the toolbar/menu I believe it adds the main menu to the context menu. And that is where the majority of the hundred options live. And at the end, where a Properties or Preferences entry should live. - Last but not least, no "New Tab" entry, which is the thing I use it for 90% of the time.
- weaksauce 1y ago
  double click the tab area and you get a new tab. ctrl-n gets you a new tab. i personally wouldn't ever use that feature. I like the extra modes of copying since they all have unique uses and prevent editing in cases. the encoding bit is odd yeah. adjust scrollback is not a common option i suppose. it would be nice to configure the right click menu more but that's not an option i see in many apps so it's a wash. I use the menu so i don't have those options. it may even be configurable via a file somewhere in .config... i haven't tried or been bothered by the defaults enough to do so.
- lmm 1y ago
  > Four, no really four ways to copy... All of which are useful > Change encoding? I have never changed the encoding of my terminal, not once since first using a computer, circa 1982. Then you've never worked with Japanese. Which is fine, but a significant proportion of the world needs to. > UTF8-FTW Not for Japanese, sadly.
  - mixmastamyk 1y ago