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liszper: > most SWE folks still have no idea how big the difference is between the coding agents they tried a year ago and declared as useless and chatgpt 5 pa
by abtinf 1y ago
liszper:
> most SWE folks still have no idea how big the difference is between the coding agents they tried a year ago and declared as useless and chatgpt 5 paired with Codex or Cursor today
Also liszper: oh, you tried the current approach and don’t agree with me? Well you just don’t know what you are doing.
- pjc50 1y agoFunnily enough the same kind of approach you get from Lisp advocates and the more annoying faction of Linux advocacy (which isn't as prevalent these days, it seems)
- liszper 1y agoI'm also a lisper, yes.
- klibertp 1y ago> the same kind of approach you get from Lisp In what way? Lisp (Common Lisp) is the most stable and unchanging language out there. If you learned it anytime after the late 80s, you still know it, and will know it until the end of time. Meanwhile, here, we hear that "a year ago" is so much time that everything changed (for the better, of course). Or is it about needing some serious time investment to get comfortable with Lisp? Even then, once you do spend enough time that s-exprs stop being a problem, that's it; there's nothing else to be getting comfortable with, and certainly, you won't need to relearn any of that a year into the future. I don't think AI coding and Lisp are comparable, even considering just the tone of messages on the topic (as far as I can see, "smug lisp weenies" are a thing of the ancient past).
- liszper 1y agoYes, exactly. Learning new things is hard. Personally it took me about 200 hours to get started, and since then ~2500 hours to get familiar with the advanced techniques, and now I'm very happy with the results, managing extremely large codebases with LLM in production. For context before that I had ~15 years of experience coding the traditional way.
- sarchertech 1y agoHow many users is production and how large is extremely large.
- liszper 1y ago200k DAU, 7 million registered, ~50 microservices, large monorepo
- sarchertech 1y agoYou have 50 microservices for 200k daily users? Let me guess this has something to do with AI?
- liszper 1y agoNo, It has something to do with experience. The system is highly integrated to other platforms and have to stay afloat during burst loads.
- pjc50 1y ago.. what is this thing and can we see it?
- liszper 1y agoyou can OSINT me pretty easily, not going to post it here for the sake of anonymity against crawlers who train models on our conversations. today's HN comments are tomorrow's coding LLMs
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- bubblyworld 1y agoLol, what is up with everyone assuming there's no learning curve to these things? If you applied this argument to literally any other tool you would be laughed at, for good reason.
- bluefirebrand 1y agoProbably because "there's no learning curve they are just magic tools" is how they are marketed and how our managers are expecting them to work
- bubblyworld 1y agoSure, but people are allowed to have their own opinions too.
- joquarky 1y ago> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html