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> a nonprofit teaching coding to kids that's a perfect teaching occasion, then! Kids: don't use proprietary services just because they are trendy. Prefer alw

> a nonprofit teaching coding to kids that's a perfect teaching occasion, then! Kids: don't use proprietary services just because they are trendy. Prefer always open standards!

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
I am a teenager and I approve this statement! Although I am not in the nonprofit tbh but maybe one day I would love to apply :> They sound cool. Sad that bad things happen to the good people. Slack really is slacking if they are literally asking 195k$ to a literal non profit whose helping kids/teens.
- ayoreis 1y ago
  It's really easy to join! There are lots of cool programs currently running. Maybe wait until next week so the migration is done, but do check our website: https://hackclub.com https://hackclub.com (we have/had 100k people in the Slack)
ketzu 1y ago
> don't use proprietary services just because they are trendy. Prefer always open standards! So if you use an open standard, but not self hosted, and your provider tells you "pay 250k or lose all your data in 2 days", I'd say are not necessarily in a better position than they are now. It's not impossible to migrate off of slack, but migrations take time.
- dijit 1y ago
  Not being funny, but I can migrate from Zulip SaaS to Zulip Self-hosted in about 45 minutes. The limitation is the speed of my internet. I know this, because I've done it. Similarly a migration from self-hosted to SaaS gitlab (though, not back). Perfect is the enemy of good, but man, it can be pretty close to perfect if you choose your vendors properly.
zelphirkalt 1y ago
Yep, time to self host one of the awesome self hosting list's chat options. This will teach independence too. I have a ready ansible deployment for zulip using docker in my repos [1], publicly available. All that's needed is a server, setting some variables in ansible, deploying that thing, and adding backups. It will cost significantly less than any slack subscription and will not cost per user. [1]: https://codeberg.org/ZelphirKaltstahl/server-management/src/branch/main/roles/services/setup-zulip https://codeberg.org/ZelphirKaltstahl/server-management/src/...
addandsubtract 1y ago
Discord server it is! /s (but not really)
rplnt 1y ago
Slack used to allow you to connect your own clients using open standards. And then they suddenly didn't.

> a nonprofit teaching coding to kids that's a perfect teaching occasion, then! Kids: don't use proprietary services just because they are trendy. Prefer always open standards!

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago

I am a teenager and I approve this statement! Although I am not in the nonprofit tbh but maybe one day I would love to apply :> They sound cool. Sad that bad things happen to the good people. Slack really is slacking if they are literally asking 195k$ to a literal non profit whose helping kids/teens.

ayoreis 1y ago
It's really easy to join! There are lots of cool programs currently running. Maybe wait until next week so the migration is done, but do check our website: https://hackclub.com https://hackclub.com (we have/had 100k people in the Slack)

ketzu 1y ago

> don't use proprietary services just because they are trendy. Prefer always open standards! So if you use an open standard, but not self hosted, and your provider tells you "pay 250k or lose all your data in 2 days", I'd say are not necessarily in a better position than they are now. It's not impossible to migrate off of slack, but migrations take time.

dijit 1y ago
Not being funny, but I can migrate from Zulip SaaS to Zulip Self-hosted in about 45 minutes. The limitation is the speed of my internet. I know this, because I've done it. Similarly a migration from self-hosted to SaaS gitlab (though, not back). Perfect is the enemy of good, but man, it can be pretty close to perfect if you choose your vendors properly.

zelphirkalt 1y ago

Yep, time to self host one of the awesome self hosting list's chat options. This will teach independence too. I have a ready ansible deployment for zulip using docker in my repos [1], publicly available. All that's needed is a server, setting some variables in ansible, deploying that thing, and adding backups. It will cost significantly less than any slack subscription and will not cost per user. [1]: https://codeberg.org/ZelphirKaltstahl/server-management/src/branch/main/roles/services/setup-zulip https://codeberg.org/ZelphirKaltstahl/server-management/src/...

addandsubtract 1y ago

Discord server it is! /s (but not really)

rplnt 1y ago

Slack used to allow you to connect your own clients using open standards. And then they suddenly didn't.