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Kimmel discussed the political response to Kirk's death, not the man, which is a class move that respects his family and the law. I can't see the problem. How

by shirro 1y ago

Kimmel discussed the political response to Kirk's death, not the man, which is a class move that respects his family and the law. I can't see the problem. How many companies, media people and politicians need to bend the knee before someone stands up and says this has all gone far enough?

discordance 1y ago
> I can't see the problem. lese majesty /s
Pxtl 1y ago
The problem is that he gave Trump a fig leaf of an excuse to go after him, and that's all they needed.
- shirro 1y ago
  An Australian reporter recently asked Trump how much money he has made since returning to office and if it is ethical for a person in his position. His org got locked out of a press conference in retaliation and we get the mafia boss threats about it not being good for our country to ask those sorts of questions. Anyone living in the USA should by now have made a decision where their line in the sand lies. Without a free press or opposition things can move quickly so decide now. If I was a member of a minority likely to be a target I would want to know I had an exit strategy.
  - bayesianbot 1y ago
    Trump also said he's gonna tell Australia's prime minister about the reporter, which is kinda nuts (and hilarious?) Old track, but just hard to imagine what would have happened if Biden was asked about his corruption and answered like that. But it's hypothetical anyway, since no previous president would ever be rug-pulling crypto scams or selling watches and bibles. I just can't believe how weekly, or sometimes daily, I share these wild stories and videos with some friends and they keep behaving like anything about this is normal. There are so many things that would make me go WTF even without the context of the constant grift it all comes with.
  - perihelions 1y ago
    If any was curious, it's >$5 billion. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-wlfi-world-liberty-financial-crypto-wealth/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-wlfi-world-liberty-financ... ("New crypto token boosts Trump family's wealth by $5 billion")
- jauntywundrkind 1y ago
  The naked emperor was already a pissy chad over Jimmy; this grudge-holding isn't new at all. Trump, back in July: > The word is, and it's a strong word at that, Jimmy Kimmel is NEXT to go in the untalented Late Night Sweepstakes and, shortly thereafter, Fallon will be gone. These are people with absolutely NO TALENT, who were paid Millions of Dollars for, in all cases, destroying what used to be GREAT Television. It's really good to see them go, and I hope I played a major part in it! Nexstar owns outright a bunch of broadcast zones in America, with zero conpetition in those broadcast areas. So them folding and everyone else following suit isn't much of a surprise. It's pathetic that media ownership has degraded to such a sorry lame ass state, that there's many markets where almost all broadcast media is via one company. The decayed anti-health of media continues to plague this nation, allow the worst poxes to spread.
- raxxorraxor 1y ago
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  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    The First Amendment protects my rights to say you are being an asshole. The First Amendment also forbids the government from punishing you for merely being an asshole.
    - raxxorraxor 1y ago
      Yeah, that argument too. I didn't mention the first amendment though. For example it is also a requirement for basic science within the framework of enlightenment. I get the xkcd and it certainly has a valid context. This is not it though. This retort just underlines a perspective that is characterized by severe lack of foresight, simple as that.
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        Perspective: “you can’t point out that I’m being an asshole to my friends and employers” is very non-free-speech. First Amendment or not. Doubly so when the people saying you can’t are the government.
        raxxorraxor 1y ago
        I don't even get the point you are trying to make. The issue is removing people due to their political opinions. This might have happened to Kimmel now. You are still free to associate with anyone freely, but there is an expectation that you behave like an adult and can withstand different opinions. Otherwise no sensible dialogue is possible. Obviously that was not the case for the murderer of Kirk and the general sentiment is that some political factions have had difficulties here as well.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        > The issue is removing people due to their political opinions. No. The issue is who is doing that action. Illegal speech is not the same as rude speech. My boss can’t declare my opinions illegal. They can fire me. > You are still free to associate with anyone freely, but there is an expectation that you behave like an adult and can withstand different opinions. Nah. I can throw a tantrum, publicly decry you as an asshole and go no-contact with you. That’s legal, and part of my freedom of expression and association. The government can’t confiscate my license over the tantrum.
bufferoverflow 1y ago
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FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago
The problem is that America is now ruled by a de facto king, who uses the power of the state to submit corporations and people to do his bidding.
- sharken 1y ago
  Also, there is quite a bit of money on the line, you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation: https://latenighter.com/news/jimmy-kimmels-removal-comes-amid-a-pending-merger-for-nexstar/ https://latenighter.com/news/jimmy-kimmels-removal-comes-ami...
  - malfist 1y ago
    Actually. You can. Money isn't an excuse to do whatever you want
    - sharken 1y ago
      The incentive for a corporation leans heavily into making deals worth billions of dollars, which is also happening here. A change of status quo in this case, will require massive loss of Disney+ subscriptions, which is not that probable.
      - ModernMech 1y ago
        > The incentive for a corporation leans heavily That's why you can blame them, because billions of private dollars should not outweigh maintaining a stable democracy and civil society for all. "Just following market incentives to maximize shareholder value" is 2025's "just following orders".
        tharmas 1y ago
        Dont forget those private prisons need customers.
  - UncleMeat 1y ago

by shirro 1y ago

discordance 1y ago

> I can't see the problem. lese majesty /s

Pxtl 1y ago

The problem is that he gave Trump a fig leaf of an excuse to go after him, and that's all they needed.

shirro 1y ago
An Australian reporter recently asked Trump how much money he has made since returning to office and if it is ethical for a person in his position. His org got locked out of a press conference in retaliation and we get the mafia boss threats about it not being good for our country to ask those sorts of questions. Anyone living in the USA should by now have made a decision where their line in the sand lies. Without a free press or opposition things can move quickly so decide now. If I was a member of a minority likely to be a target I would want to know I had an exit strategy.
- bayesianbot 1y ago
  Trump also said he's gonna tell Australia's prime minister about the reporter, which is kinda nuts (and hilarious?) Old track, but just hard to imagine what would have happened if Biden was asked about his corruption and answered like that. But it's hypothetical anyway, since no previous president would ever be rug-pulling crypto scams or selling watches and bibles. I just can't believe how weekly, or sometimes daily, I share these wild stories and videos with some friends and they keep behaving like anything about this is normal. There are so many things that would make me go WTF even without the context of the constant grift it all comes with.
- perihelions 1y ago
  If any was curious, it's >$5 billion. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-wlfi-world-liberty-financial-crypto-wealth/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-wlfi-world-liberty-financ... ("New crypto token boosts Trump family's wealth by $5 billion")
jauntywundrkind 1y ago
The naked emperor was already a pissy chad over Jimmy; this grudge-holding isn't new at all. Trump, back in July: > The word is, and it's a strong word at that, Jimmy Kimmel is NEXT to go in the untalented Late Night Sweepstakes and, shortly thereafter, Fallon will be gone. These are people with absolutely NO TALENT, who were paid Millions of Dollars for, in all cases, destroying what used to be GREAT Television. It's really good to see them go, and I hope I played a major part in it! Nexstar owns outright a bunch of broadcast zones in America, with zero conpetition in those broadcast areas. So them folding and everyone else following suit isn't much of a surprise. It's pathetic that media ownership has degraded to such a sorry lame ass state, that there's many markets where almost all broadcast media is via one company. The decayed anti-health of media continues to plague this nation, allow the worst poxes to spread.
raxxorraxor 1y ago
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- ceejayoz 1y ago
  The First Amendment protects my rights to say you are being an asshole. The First Amendment also forbids the government from punishing you for merely being an asshole.
  - raxxorraxor 1y ago
    Yeah, that argument too. I didn't mention the first amendment though. For example it is also a requirement for basic science within the framework of enlightenment. I get the xkcd and it certainly has a valid context. This is not it though. This retort just underlines a perspective that is characterized by severe lack of foresight, simple as that.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      Perspective: “you can’t point out that I’m being an asshole to my friends and employers” is very non-free-speech. First Amendment or not. Doubly so when the people saying you can’t are the government.
      - raxxorraxor 1y ago
        I don't even get the point you are trying to make. The issue is removing people due to their political opinions. This might have happened to Kimmel now. You are still free to associate with anyone freely, but there is an expectation that you behave like an adult and can withstand different opinions. Otherwise no sensible dialogue is possible. Obviously that was not the case for the murderer of Kirk and the general sentiment is that some political factions have had difficulties here as well.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        > The issue is removing people due to their political opinions. No. The issue is who is doing that action. Illegal speech is not the same as rude speech. My boss can’t declare my opinions illegal. They can fire me. > You are still free to associate with anyone freely, but there is an expectation that you behave like an adult and can withstand different opinions. Nah. I can throw a tantrum, publicly decry you as an asshole and go no-contact with you. That’s legal, and part of my freedom of expression and association. The government can’t confiscate my license over the tantrum.

bufferoverflow 1y ago

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FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago

The problem is that America is now ruled by a de facto king, who uses the power of the state to submit corporations and people to do his bidding.

sharken 1y ago
Also, there is quite a bit of money on the line, you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation: https://latenighter.com/news/jimmy-kimmels-removal-comes-amid-a-pending-merger-for-nexstar/ https://latenighter.com/news/jimmy-kimmels-removal-comes-ami...
- malfist 1y ago
  Actually. You can. Money isn't an excuse to do whatever you want
  - sharken 1y ago
    The incentive for a corporation leans heavily into making deals worth billions of dollars, which is also happening here. A change of status quo in this case, will require massive loss of Disney+ subscriptions, which is not that probable.
    - ModernMech 1y ago
      > The incentive for a corporation leans heavily That's why you can blame them, because billions of private dollars should not outweigh maintaining a stable democracy and civil society for all. "Just following market incentives to maximize shareholder value" is 2025's "just following orders".
      - tharmas 1y ago
        Dont forget those private prisons need customers.
- UncleMeat 1y ago