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Have you ever lived in a rural community? Putting useless or malicious animals down is merciful and common place and definitely not the making of serial killer

Have you ever lived in a rural community? Putting useless or malicious animals down is merciful and common place and definitely not the making of serial killers.

wsatb 1y ago
> Putting useless or malicious animals down is merciful and common place Maybe that's part of the problem? You kill what you consider "useless" or "malicious". Noem killed a puppy.
- sparrish 1y ago
  That's the way farms have always worked. The sheep herder kills the wolf. The farmer kills the bugs that eat the crop. The rancher kills the coyote that kills his calves. What exactly was the alternative? She should have let the dog continue to kill her chickens?
  - wsatb 1y ago
    You're comparing a domesticated animal to wild ones. You really can't think of any alternatives to shooting a dog?
kelnos 1y ago
Glad I don't live in a rural community then. Sounds like a heartless practice, if such a thing is common in communities like that. In a wooded mountain region I frequent (not sure if it's "rural" by colloquial terms, though the USPS classifies it that way), most people try to avoid dangerous wildlife. Killing them is a last resort, and represents a failure to respect nature. I don't get the "useless" bit. Why would you kill a "useless" animal? Just let it be.
- rolph 1y ago
  we dont just kill anything that moves, but if your in the back country you better have a plan that will let you live, or else you roll up in a ball and hope its quick
  - asdff 1y ago
    Usually there are quite a few "Hey bear"'s before you resort to blowing its brains out.
    - rolph 1y ago
      making your presence well known ahead of time by being noisy can help, but it doesnt always, and thats when you can have a 3/4 ton animal suddenly bolting at you from thick bush in about 2 seconds, because its decided to lay in ambush to kill or wound you rather than give ground. and really the moose are a lot more likely than bears to go after you. more qualifiers as well such as with calf or cubs, hunting and predation engagement being interrupted ect.
- sparrish 1y ago
  We're not talking about wild animals here. We're talking about farm animals, which are intended to produce or work. If your dog is killing your chickens, he's impacting your production. If a goat is too old to reproduce, they're just costing money to feed and care. Margins are thin on a farm and there's little room for such liabilities. Thus it has been for thousands of years in agriculture.
jacquesm 1y ago
It is. Until you start bragging about it. That changes the perspective completely. I've never heard a farmer or a vet brag about when they had to put down an animal.
- sparrish 1y ago
  I doubt anyone enjoys putting an animal down and there are those who are psychologically unable to do it. They usually ask a neighbor or family member to do the necessary. I disagree that she was bragging about it. I think she was illustrating that she can do what needs done, even the unpleasant parts. I believe it resonated well with anyone who's had to do similar tasks.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    All it showed me is a dog owner without empathy or ability.
  - mrguyorama 1y ago
    >I disagree that she was bragging about it It was bragging because it's meant to be a story about how she's capable of doing the "hard" things, which is the perspective that reality is tough, and you need to be willing to hurt some people to do "the right" thing. It's literally Call of Duty's philosophy, that only the "hardest" people, who can do literally cruel and awful things, like illegal torture, because they must be done, and those bleeding heart liberals can't kill a dog if it's the "right" thing.
rolph 1y ago
guess what im an off grid bush retreat alaskan, and i hunt and hit and cull, all the time, but i dont brag about it, or posture that willingness to kill contributed to entry to a government organization. what many people call a useless dog, is actually the case of a useless person, with no skills at all regarding husbandry or behavior management. gloating, feeling powerful as a result of causing death or discomfort, yes those actually are the making of serial killers.
asdff 1y ago
Killing a dog for acting like a dog is merciful?
- sparrish 1y ago
  It is from a farmer's point of view. The chickens are an investment and produce. A dog that kills chickens is a liability and it's nearly impossible to change that behavior once they get a taste for it. It will never be a good work dog.
  - asdff 1y ago
    Why not rehome it instead of killing it?
    - sparrish 1y ago
      I'm sure some are able to rehome them but very few. When you live in a rural area, nobody wants a chicken-killing dog cause most them have chickens - and those that don't - have neighbors that have chickens and you don't want to be that neighbor. If there are reasonable alternatives, please do avail yourself. When there are none, putting an animal down is best and is common practice.

Have you ever lived in a rural community? Putting useless or malicious animals down is merciful and common place and definitely not the making of serial killers.

wsatb 1y ago

> Putting useless or malicious animals down is merciful and common place Maybe that's part of the problem? You kill what you consider "useless" or "malicious". Noem killed a puppy.

sparrish 1y ago
That's the way farms have always worked. The sheep herder kills the wolf. The farmer kills the bugs that eat the crop. The rancher kills the coyote that kills his calves. What exactly was the alternative? She should have let the dog continue to kill her chickens?
- wsatb 1y ago
  You're comparing a domesticated animal to wild ones. You really can't think of any alternatives to shooting a dog?

kelnos 1y ago

Glad I don't live in a rural community then. Sounds like a heartless practice, if such a thing is common in communities like that. In a wooded mountain region I frequent (not sure if it's "rural" by colloquial terms, though the USPS classifies it that way), most people try to avoid dangerous wildlife. Killing them is a last resort, and represents a failure to respect nature. I don't get the "useless" bit. Why would you kill a "useless" animal? Just let it be.

rolph 1y ago
we dont just kill anything that moves, but if your in the back country you better have a plan that will let you live, or else you roll up in a ball and hope its quick
- asdff 1y ago
  Usually there are quite a few "Hey bear"'s before you resort to blowing its brains out.
  - rolph 1y ago
    making your presence well known ahead of time by being noisy can help, but it doesnt always, and thats when you can have a 3/4 ton animal suddenly bolting at you from thick bush in about 2 seconds, because its decided to lay in ambush to kill or wound you rather than give ground. and really the moose are a lot more likely than bears to go after you. more qualifiers as well such as with calf or cubs, hunting and predation engagement being interrupted ect.
sparrish 1y ago
We're not talking about wild animals here. We're talking about farm animals, which are intended to produce or work. If your dog is killing your chickens, he's impacting your production. If a goat is too old to reproduce, they're just costing money to feed and care. Margins are thin on a farm and there's little room for such liabilities. Thus it has been for thousands of years in agriculture.

jacquesm 1y ago

It is. Until you start bragging about it. That changes the perspective completely. I've never heard a farmer or a vet brag about when they had to put down an animal.

sparrish 1y ago
I doubt anyone enjoys putting an animal down and there are those who are psychologically unable to do it. They usually ask a neighbor or family member to do the necessary. I disagree that she was bragging about it. I think she was illustrating that she can do what needs done, even the unpleasant parts. I believe it resonated well with anyone who's had to do similar tasks.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  All it showed me is a dog owner without empathy or ability.
- mrguyorama 1y ago
  >I disagree that she was bragging about it It was bragging because it's meant to be a story about how she's capable of doing the "hard" things, which is the perspective that reality is tough, and you need to be willing to hurt some people to do "the right" thing. It's literally Call of Duty's philosophy, that only the "hardest" people, who can do literally cruel and awful things, like illegal torture, because they must be done, and those bleeding heart liberals can't kill a dog if it's the "right" thing.

rolph 1y ago

guess what im an off grid bush retreat alaskan, and i hunt and hit and cull, all the time, but i dont brag about it, or posture that willingness to kill contributed to entry to a government organization. what many people call a useless dog, is actually the case of a useless person, with no skills at all regarding husbandry or behavior management. gloating, feeling powerful as a result of causing death or discomfort, yes those actually are the making of serial killers.

asdff 1y ago

Killing a dog for acting like a dog is merciful?

sparrish 1y ago
It is from a farmer's point of view. The chickens are an investment and produce. A dog that kills chickens is a liability and it's nearly impossible to change that behavior once they get a taste for it. It will never be a good work dog.
- asdff 1y ago
  Why not rehome it instead of killing it?
  - sparrish 1y ago
    I'm sure some are able to rehome them but very few. When you live in a rural area, nobody wants a chicken-killing dog cause most them have chickens - and those that don't - have neighbors that have chickens and you don't want to be that neighbor. If there are reasonable alternatives, please do avail yourself. When there are none, putting an animal down is best and is common practice.