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It's extremely relevant. The person grew up "conservative" and was radicalized to the left in college. The reason this is important is that it's a trend. If the

It's extremely relevant. The person grew up "conservative" and was radicalized to the left in college. The reason this is important is that it's a trend. If the trend isn't acknowledged on the left, then it will just continue.

jleyank 1y ago
No, he was in a multi-year trade school after a semester of university. He was radicalized on-line...
romellem 1y ago
In his one singular semester in college? Going to need a source for your fact there. Pretty sure no one has all the info yet.
mrtesthah 1y ago
I see nothing wrong with people acquiring a left-wing political lens as a result of their own independent thought process (which, by the way, has nothing to do with universities, regardless of what the right-wing talking points you're referencing say; the shooter went to a trade school). And in any case, a significant majority of political violence is caused by right-wing extremists. Of course the DOJ just deleted that report because it was inconvenient to their narrative. https://people.com/department-of-justice-quietly-deletes-study-after-charlie-kirk-death-that-says-right-wing-extremists-engage-in-far-more-political-violence-11811580 https://people.com/department-of-justice-quietly-deletes-stu...
- themaninthedark 1y ago
  So earlier I took a look at the wiki list of Domestic Terrorism incidents. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_Un... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45207030 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45207030 Over the last 40 years: 8/16 attacks on that list are linked to White Supremacists(Counting OKC) ~50% In the last 15 years, again about 50% are linked to White Supremacists and ~41% linked to Radical Islam.
  - gusgus01 1y ago
    Are you analyzing the list of "Notable Domestic Terrorist Attacks" on that page? Which has already been filtered by some criteria of notability? A more complete list is actually prompted at the top of that section and is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Stat.... However, you've possibly read that already since you're 41% number appears to be sourced from that page and is specifically talking about deaths and not events from 9/11/2001 to 2017. That 41% is heavily influenced by the deadliest event which was the Orlando Shooting, and if you look at the overall picture, 73% of events were perpetrated by white supremacists. Honestly, directly reading the GAO study and the other, more recent, studies is a lot more illuminating and illustrates the growing issue of white supremacy and far-right political violence.
    - nobody9999 1y ago
      The link you referenced[0] also includes this: A 2017 report by The Nation Institute and the Center for Investigative Reporting analyzed a list of the terrorist incidents which occurred in the US between 2008 and 2016.[27] It found:[28] 115 far-right inspired terrorist incidents. 35% of these incidents were foiled (this number means that no terrorist attacks occurred) and 29% of them resulted in fatalities. These incidents caused 79 deaths. 63 Islamist inspired terrorist incidents. 76% of these terrorist incidents were foiled (this number means that no terrorist attacks occurred) and 13% of them resulted in fatalities. These incidents caused 90 deaths. 19 far-left inspired terrorist incidents. 20% of these terrorist incidents were foiled (this number means that no terrorist attacks occurred) and 10% of them resulted in fatalities. Two of these incidents were described as "plausibly" attributed to a perpetrator with left-wing sympathies and caused 7 deaths. These are not included in the official government database.[15] So out of 197 incidents reported between 2008 and 2016, 58% were "Far Right" inspired, 32% were "Islamist" inspired and 10% were "Far left" inspired. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Stat...
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msie 1y ago
How does a semester of a very conservative college radicalize him? You sound like you are just parroting MAGA talking points.
suzdude 1y ago
He was raised in a rightwing household with easy access to firearms. Hating Kirk is nothing unusual. Maybe something in his conservative upbringing led him to believe violence was an acceptable action based on his hate. That's not a belief shared by the Democratic Party.
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- throwmeaway222 1y ago
  I'm pretty sure Luigi was celebrated on the left far more. I'm pretty sure CK's death was celebrated on the left far more too. https://www.azfamily.com/2024/12/20/1-4-americans-sympathize-with-luigi-mangione-ai-poll-reveals-why/ https://www.azfamily.com/2024/12/20/1-4-americans-sympathize... > It found 28% of people who identified as liberal supported the murder, compared to 5% of conservatives. Both the left and the right (which tends to be poorer right now) are massively affected by the cost and non-coverage of insurance. The LEFT WING is violent right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY0z9ZwFpE8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY0z9ZwFpE8
  - suzdude 1y ago
    https://web.archive.org/web/20250911012550/https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism https://web.archive.org/web/20250911012550/https://nij.ojp.g... Why lie? Just because you have a short memory, and cannot recall: * A right wing extremist killed the MN speaker of the house, her spouse, and their dog * A right wing extremist attacked Speaker Pelosi's house in an attempt to kidnap her, and attacked her husband with a hammer (an incident that republicans were happy to crack jokes about) * January 6th, 2021 * 2022 A right wing extremist shot and killed 10 people at a supermarket in Buffalo NY. * 2025 A right wing extremist shot up a school in Colorado * 2018 A right wing extremist sent mail bombs to democrats Or do you think attacks on matter if the people killed is someone you like?
  - suzdude 1y ago
    > The LEFT WING is violent right now. The facts really don't agree with you on that: https://old.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1nksbmg/guy_from_florida_with_120k_followers_calling_for/ https://old.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1nksbmg/guy_...
DengistKhan 1y ago
Can you be more specific about how a single semester of an online college, as is the case with the acused, hypothetically would "radicalize to the left" a person like the alleged shooter?
vjjsejj 1y ago
Well school shootings are a trend too. The guy who was murdered openly and explicitly supported doing absolutely nothing about it (and gun violence in general). Regardless of this specific case the “right” ignores, supports or even encourages political violence on a much bigger scale than anyone else. So why is it only a problem in some specific cases but not in general?
tzs 1y ago
Are you seriously suggesting that Utah State University, a school that is often on people's lists of the most conservative colleges in the US, radicalized him to the left? And they managed to do that in the one semester he attended?
- rezonant 1y ago
  Well obviously all colleges radicalize students to the left, which is why they want to get rid of college entirely. Public education as a whole radicalizes people to the left so they want to get rid of that too, so that it's too expensive for most people to send their kids to school.
  - UncleMeat 1y ago
    "College educated voters tend to vote for democrats" and "colleges radicalize students to the left" are two different things. The claim is not that this person was more likely to vote for Harris than Trump. The claim is that university convinced him to murder people.
    - rezonant 1y ago
      While nothing I said is contradicted by your reply, it's pretty crazy to imply "radicalizing students to the left" is tantamount to "convincing him to murder people".
      - UncleMeat 1y ago
        In this case it is. The specific (ridiculous) claim is that this person was well adjusted prior to college, then attended college, and through his one semester at college became not just a leftist but a leftist who was willing to murder for his ideology.
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  Remarkable that Charlie Kirk, who attended much more college, didn't get radicalized to the left! I swear, people talk about colleges like everybody is forced to watch soviet propaganda in a Clockwork Orange esque restraint.

jleyank 1y ago

No, he was in a multi-year trade school after a semester of university. He was radicalized on-line...

romellem 1y ago

In his one singular semester in college? Going to need a source for your fact there. Pretty sure no one has all the info yet.

mrtesthah 1y ago

I see nothing wrong with people acquiring a left-wing political lens as a result of their own independent thought process (which, by the way, has nothing to do with universities, regardless of what the right-wing talking points you're referencing say; the shooter went to a trade school). And in any case, a significant majority of political violence is caused by right-wing extremists. Of course the DOJ just deleted that report because it was inconvenient to their narrative. https://people.com/department-of-justice-quietly-deletes-study-after-charlie-kirk-death-that-says-right-wing-extremists-engage-in-far-more-political-violence-11811580 https://people.com/department-of-justice-quietly-deletes-stu...

themaninthedark 1y ago
So earlier I took a look at the wiki list of Domestic Terrorism incidents. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_Un... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45207030 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45207030 Over the last 40 years: 8/16 attacks on that list are linked to White Supremacists(Counting OKC) ~50% In the last 15 years, again about 50% are linked to White Supremacists and ~41% linked to Radical Islam.
- gusgus01 1y ago
  Are you analyzing the list of "Notable Domestic Terrorist Attacks" on that page? Which has already been filtered by some criteria of notability? A more complete list is actually prompted at the top of that section and is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Stat.... However, you've possibly read that already since you're 41% number appears to be sourced from that page and is specifically talking about deaths and not events from 9/11/2001 to 2017. That 41% is heavily influenced by the deadliest event which was the Orlando Shooting, and if you look at the overall picture, 73% of events were perpetrated by white supremacists. Honestly, directly reading the GAO study and the other, more recent, studies is a lot more illuminating and illustrates the growing issue of white supremacy and far-right political violence.
  - nobody9999 1y ago
    The link you referenced[0] also includes this: A 2017 report by The Nation Institute and the Center for Investigative Reporting analyzed a list of the terrorist incidents which occurred in the US between 2008 and 2016.[27] It found:[28] 115 far-right inspired terrorist incidents. 35% of these incidents were foiled (this number means that no terrorist attacks occurred) and 29% of them resulted in fatalities. These incidents caused 79 deaths. 63 Islamist inspired terrorist incidents. 76% of these terrorist incidents were foiled (this number means that no terrorist attacks occurred) and 13% of them resulted in fatalities. These incidents caused 90 deaths. 19 far-left inspired terrorist incidents. 20% of these terrorist incidents were foiled (this number means that no terrorist attacks occurred) and 10% of them resulted in fatalities. Two of these incidents were described as "plausibly" attributed to a perpetrator with left-wing sympathies and caused 7 deaths. These are not included in the official government database.[15] So out of 197 incidents reported between 2008 and 2016, 58% were "Far Right" inspired, 32% were "Islamist" inspired and 10% were "Far left" inspired. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_Stat...
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msie 1y ago

How does a semester of a very conservative college radicalize him? You sound like you are just parroting MAGA talking points.

suzdude 1y ago

He was raised in a rightwing household with easy access to firearms. Hating Kirk is nothing unusual. Maybe something in his conservative upbringing led him to believe violence was an acceptable action based on his hate. That's not a belief shared by the Democratic Party.

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throwmeaway222 1y ago
I'm pretty sure Luigi was celebrated on the left far more. I'm pretty sure CK's death was celebrated on the left far more too. https://www.azfamily.com/2024/12/20/1-4-americans-sympathize-with-luigi-mangione-ai-poll-reveals-why/ https://www.azfamily.com/2024/12/20/1-4-americans-sympathize... > It found 28% of people who identified as liberal supported the murder, compared to 5% of conservatives. Both the left and the right (which tends to be poorer right now) are massively affected by the cost and non-coverage of insurance. The LEFT WING is violent right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY0z9ZwFpE8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY0z9ZwFpE8
- suzdude 1y ago
  https://web.archive.org/web/20250911012550/https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism https://web.archive.org/web/20250911012550/https://nij.ojp.g... Why lie? Just because you have a short memory, and cannot recall: * A right wing extremist killed the MN speaker of the house, her spouse, and their dog * A right wing extremist attacked Speaker Pelosi's house in an attempt to kidnap her, and attacked her husband with a hammer (an incident that republicans were happy to crack jokes about) * January 6th, 2021 * 2022 A right wing extremist shot and killed 10 people at a supermarket in Buffalo NY. * 2025 A right wing extremist shot up a school in Colorado * 2018 A right wing extremist sent mail bombs to democrats Or do you think attacks on matter if the people killed is someone you like?
- suzdude 1y ago
  > The LEFT WING is violent right now. The facts really don't agree with you on that: https://old.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1nksbmg/guy_from_florida_with_120k_followers_calling_for/ https://old.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1nksbmg/guy_...

DengistKhan 1y ago

Can you be more specific about how a single semester of an online college, as is the case with the acused, hypothetically would "radicalize to the left" a person like the alleged shooter?

vjjsejj 1y ago

Well school shootings are a trend too. The guy who was murdered openly and explicitly supported doing absolutely nothing about it (and gun violence in general). Regardless of this specific case the “right” ignores, supports or even encourages political violence on a much bigger scale than anyone else. So why is it only a problem in some specific cases but not in general?

tzs 1y ago

Are you seriously suggesting that Utah State University, a school that is often on people's lists of the most conservative colleges in the US, radicalized him to the left? And they managed to do that in the one semester he attended?

rezonant 1y ago
Well obviously all colleges radicalize students to the left, which is why they want to get rid of college entirely. Public education as a whole radicalizes people to the left so they want to get rid of that too, so that it's too expensive for most people to send their kids to school.
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  "College educated voters tend to vote for democrats" and "colleges radicalize students to the left" are two different things. The claim is not that this person was more likely to vote for Harris than Trump. The claim is that university convinced him to murder people.
  - rezonant 1y ago
    While nothing I said is contradicted by your reply, it's pretty crazy to imply "radicalizing students to the left" is tantamount to "convincing him to murder people".
    - UncleMeat 1y ago
      In this case it is. The specific (ridiculous) claim is that this person was well adjusted prior to college, then attended college, and through his one semester at college became not just a leftist but a leftist who was willing to murder for his ideology.
UncleMeat 1y ago
Remarkable that Charlie Kirk, who attended much more college, didn't get radicalized to the left! I swear, people talk about colleges like everybody is forced to watch soviet propaganda in a Clockwork Orange esque restraint.