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There is a lot to unpack in this. Your #1 is encoding an unexamined assumption that there is a fixed or at least somewhat inflexible amount of violence to be d
by ynx 1y ago
There is a lot to unpack in this.
Your #1 is encoding an unexamined assumption that there is a fixed or at least somewhat inflexible amount of violence to be directed anywhere. It also ignores the lightning generation engine, so to speak, that is the settler colonialism causing unrest across the region.
On #2 - Rational people see that they are willing to do everything short of nuclear war when they feel like their century of history is being re-evaluated, and are worried about that (appropriately so). Also, it is an error to assert that nations can be exterminated. That is something evil that happens to people. As organizations of people, institutions and states can fail or be dissolved, but do not disappear permanently so long as people remain to re-form them. I think rational people can argue that the things that are being done in Palestine are unconscionable and that a state that is built to systematically support those acts needs to renew its principles and recommit itself to the idea of "never again".
- zelphirkalt 1y ago"Never again" - Was that ever an idea that Israel committed to? I thought this is only something that Germany and potentially other countries committed to, and Israel saw itself as the victim since forever, so they have no reason to commit to anything, but the victim card, which allowed them to have their own country in the first place. Note though, that Germany's commitment to "never again" got somehow repurposed in exactly letting the thing happen again. Be it because politicians here are not actually educated enough to recognize the thing they should prevent, want to close their eyes to the fact that the once-victim now perpetrator, did it and they did nothing to stop it, they just don't care, the weapon exports are just too good of a business, or whatever. Germany has utterly failed to prevent the thing from happening ever again, and Israel has proven our collective "blind spot". The one entity, that no German politician is allowed to criticize. And still the political climate is such that, most likely, if you criticize Israel in any way, your political career is over and you get branded as an anti-Semite. Oh the irony of it. While it should actually be a huge headline in every newspaper, that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians and is still committing it as we sit here, the newspapers are awfully quiet. It seems like it is not even worth a headline. Man, the truth hurts. Sucks when your reporting has been so biased all along. Hard to make a 165 degree turn now, I guess (I give them 15 degree, for the occasional reporting on the matter at all.).
- jazzyjackson 1y ago> which allowed them to have their own country That's a weird thing to say, I thought it was because they set up governance amid a collapsed empire and defended themselves in a war
- Sabinus 1y agoThere's a belief in the western left that Israel was set up by Western countries as colonialism. That way they can more easily call for the dissolving of the illegitimate country for a 1 state solution. If you acknowledge that the Jews were elbowing their way into the area of their own desire for a state, against the wishes of the Ottomans and then British, it makes it more difficult to paint them as evil invaders.
- sillyfluke 1y ago>against the wishes of the Ottomans and then the British Who has convincingly argued that it was against the wishes of the British? It was the British government's stated objectives.[0][1] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine
- dotancohen 1y agoJerusalem had been majority Jewish for decades before the Balfour declaration. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusalem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerus...
- sillyfluke 1y agoYour claim has nothing to do with the sentence I quoted or my response to it.
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- LorenPechtel 1y agoThe lightning generation engine is the Islamist money for terror. And you are not addressing point #2 at all. I pointed out that the Jews know that to stay if Israel collapses is to die. You are asking them to die and you are asking that they not use their second strike capability when that happens.
- Qiu_Zhanxuan 1y agoWhen Nazi Germany was occupying the rest of Europe, it also labelled any inside movement of resistance as Terrorism. International law recognizes both occupation and colonization as crimes. Labeling and merging the Palestinians into a single entity called "the terrorists" is a lazy attempt to deny the legitimate claim for freedom and self-determination of an indigenous populations.
- pavovap 1y agoWhat a load of BS