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I hope it's not considered inappropriate to mention the Fall of Civilizations podcast ep about Assyria here. I'm not affiliated. I just love history and this po

I hope it's not considered inappropriate to mention the Fall of Civilizations podcast ep about Assyria here. I'm not affiliated. I just love history and this podcast is deeply researched and highly entertaining to a history nerd. https://soundcloud.com/fallofcivilizations/13-the-assyrians-empire-of-iron https://soundcloud.com/fallofcivilizations/13-the-assyrians-...

staplers 1y ago
It might be inappropriate to advertise it without explaining why it's relevant to the subject..
- boringg 1y ago
  The Assyrians were an ancient civilization in the area about the same time...
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  - pazimzadeh 1y ago
    2000 years earlier
    - wqaatwt 1y ago
      Only about 300.
adolph 1y ago
They are thought to be more than 2,300 years old, likely from the Hellenistic period, when Iraq was under the rule of the Seleucid empire. So similar territory and genetic people but well after the Assyrians. Assyrian city-state: 2100 - 1400 BC Assyrian empire: 1400 - 700 BC (thru the Bronze age collapse circa 1200 BC) Seleucid empire: 312 - 63 BC (rough dates from wikipedia) expanded into an empire from the 14th century BC to the 7th century BC
- kwk1 1y ago
  Tangentially but somewhat interestingly, I was reading the other day that the field of "Assyriology" goes all the way up to the Islamic conquest, about a thousand years after the end of the Neo-Assyrian Empire mentioned above.
  - adolph 1y ago
    Yes, it seems like there was or is a region considered the "Assyrian homeland" [0] of the people for whom the empire was named (Assyria being named for the home city of Assur). Wikipedia's map makes it look the same as the Kurdish territory and when I look up differences between them, Reddit threads describing contemporary accounts are front and center. [1] 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_homeland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_homeland 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Assyria/comments/u8c324/relationship_between_kurds_and_assyrians/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Assyria/comments/u8c324/relationshi...
    - thaumasiotes 1y ago
      > Assyria being named for the home city of Assur Well, sort of. "Assyria" would be a rendering of the Greek idea of the name. The Greeks couldn't pronounce it. In English the city (and god) is usually called "Ashur"; in Akkadian it's Ashshur. It's never called "Assur".
  - griffzhowl 1y ago
    "Assyriology" is a bit of a misnomer and really means the study of cultures that used cuneiform. So it includes the Sumerians and their prehistory, which preceded the Assyrians by thousands of years. Taking it up to the Islamic conquest is stretching it a bit, but I suppose there was a lot of continuity between that period and the thousands of years of cuneiform use in the region. E.g. the latest cuneiform tablet known is from 79AD from the city of Uruk, which was inhabited from about 5000BC to 700AD
    - kwk1 1y ago
      > E.g. the latest cuneiform tablet known is from 79AD from the city of Uruk, which was inhabited from about 5000BC to 700AD Very interesting, thanks for expanding on that!
the_arun 1y ago
Link to that episode on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpAphcaVJIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpAphcaVJIs
jtwaleson 1y ago
It's an incredible podcast. A great combination of research, history, and nostalgia. The versions with accompanying video on YouTube are good too.

staplers 1y ago

It might be inappropriate to advertise it without explaining why it's relevant to the subject..

boringg 1y ago
The Assyrians were an ancient civilization in the area about the same time...
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- pazimzadeh 1y ago
  2000 years earlier
  - wqaatwt 1y ago
    Only about 300.

adolph 1y ago

They are thought to be more than 2,300 years old, likely from the Hellenistic period, when Iraq was under the rule of the Seleucid empire. So similar territory and genetic people but well after the Assyrians. Assyrian city-state: 2100 - 1400 BC Assyrian empire: 1400 - 700 BC (thru the Bronze age collapse circa 1200 BC) Seleucid empire: 312 - 63 BC (rough dates from wikipedia) expanded into an empire from the 14th century BC to the 7th century BC

kwk1 1y ago
Tangentially but somewhat interestingly, I was reading the other day that the field of "Assyriology" goes all the way up to the Islamic conquest, about a thousand years after the end of the Neo-Assyrian Empire mentioned above.
- adolph 1y ago
  Yes, it seems like there was or is a region considered the "Assyrian homeland" [0] of the people for whom the empire was named (Assyria being named for the home city of Assur). Wikipedia's map makes it look the same as the Kurdish territory and when I look up differences between them, Reddit threads describing contemporary accounts are front and center. [1] 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_homeland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_homeland 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Assyria/comments/u8c324/relationship_between_kurds_and_assyrians/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Assyria/comments/u8c324/relationshi...
  - thaumasiotes 1y ago
    > Assyria being named for the home city of Assur Well, sort of. "Assyria" would be a rendering of the Greek idea of the name. The Greeks couldn't pronounce it. In English the city (and god) is usually called "Ashur"; in Akkadian it's Ashshur. It's never called "Assur".
- griffzhowl 1y ago
  "Assyriology" is a bit of a misnomer and really means the study of cultures that used cuneiform. So it includes the Sumerians and their prehistory, which preceded the Assyrians by thousands of years. Taking it up to the Islamic conquest is stretching it a bit, but I suppose there was a lot of continuity between that period and the thousands of years of cuneiform use in the region. E.g. the latest cuneiform tablet known is from 79AD from the city of Uruk, which was inhabited from about 5000BC to 700AD
  - kwk1 1y ago
    > E.g. the latest cuneiform tablet known is from 79AD from the city of Uruk, which was inhabited from about 5000BC to 700AD Very interesting, thanks for expanding on that!

the_arun 1y ago

Link to that episode on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpAphcaVJIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpAphcaVJIs

jtwaleson 1y ago

It's an incredible podcast. A great combination of research, history, and nostalgia. The versions with accompanying video on YouTube are good too.