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Bambu P1S, no question. Enclosed with filter for ABS fumes etc. Personally I've only used their A1, but it's the best printer I've ever used by far, and it's th

by RickS 1y ago

Bambu P1S, no question. Enclosed with filter for ABS fumes etc. Personally I've only used their A1, but it's the best printer I've ever used by far, and it's the first one that you can treat like a paper printer: plop it down, ignore it til you need to print, hit print and assume it works with no supervision. An absolute joy. It's also FAST compared to last gen printers. They do have a bunch of cloud service BS and phoning home that runs afoul of the HN spirit, but there's a LAN mode that allows you to send prints from LAN without opening up to the wider internet. If that's still too restrictive, you can always do direct SD card transfers via sneakernet. Software might be too closed for you, IDK if there are jailbreaks. Repairability is possible but fiddly – akin to current gen car engines, rather than 70s types. They're very popular printers, I've only needed to open the head once, and there were plenty of YT teardown videos to help. The Bambu slicer is good. They've got niceties for basic operations like snapping to bed or scaling up/down by a few percent. I believe it's based on cura slicer, which is also excellent. P1S is at the midpoint of your budget. Their next model up is $1200, depending on your flexibility. Might have some value if you're doing more obscure materials. Didn't realize how cheap the enclosed ones had gotten. I've got half a mind to upgrade myself now....

Aurornis 1y ago
> Enclosed with filter for ABS fumes etc. I agree that the Bambu printers are as good as it gets for plug-and-play printing, but I wouldn't trust the tiny carbon filter for toxic fumes in an indoor environment. The better VOC filters use a larger amount of activated carbon and they recirculate a high volume of chamber air inside the chamber. Activated carbon also needs to be replaced over time as it loses capacity to adsorb more VOCs.
- lawn 1y ago
  Their printers are also not sealed well. See for example @CanuckCreator on YouTube where he does a teardown, revealing large holes. This is not the way to go with toxic fumes or how to get good ABS printing performance.
  - cma 1y ago
    Does it have to be sealed? Thinking of fume hoods which aren't but are ok. Can you link the vid?
    - riknos314 1y ago
      Fume hoods have an exhaust to outside the inhabited area, which allows the interior of the hood to operate at a negative pressure. This means air is drawn in through the gaps rather than allowed to escape through them.
      - cma 1y ago
        If this filter itself is effective, not saying it is, then gaps aren't necessarily a problem depending on where they are and if it still maintains the right pressure/airflow to the filter. Brought up a fume hood because if one of those had a filter for whatever was bad inside, and instead of exhausting outside it went through the filter, it would work still work despite the intentional gap. I'm not saying the gaps are intentional or in the right place here, but that there could be an ok design with gaps. If you are exhausting through a filter you have to pull in air from somewhere.
    - lawn 1y ago
      A fume hood isn't at all comparable to what typically exist in the 3D printer world though. He talks about it in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD__e064_U4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD__e064_U4
      - cma 1y ago
        What's the timestamp? I can't tell from the part near the beginning if the holes that aren't on the part with the fan (presumably with filter in front of it?) sealed to it would be intaking or exhausting, and/or if some of them are for heat from the electronics but not contiguous with the build chamber.
thot_experiment 1y ago
Except this person cares about privacy and openness, and Bambu is an awful VC funded push everyone out by undercutting prices and then enshittify company.
- multjoy 1y ago
  Their machines are also excellent.
- horsawlarway 1y ago
  I guess. Having just bought a Prusa Core One because of concerns about the direction Bambu is headed... I regret it. Hands down. It is absolutely worse from a practical standpoint than the much older X1C I have, and the absolutely maddening part is that the "worse" bits are mostly software related. You can hate on Bambu all you want (and frankly - a good chunk of it is well earned, but some is exaggerated or false) - but it feels like they use their products, and they care enough to fix the rough spots. So while I like the ideals of Prusa... I can't say I'm super impressed with their latest offerings. Bambu's ecosystem is justly WILDLY better. The slicer is less annoying, the printer is more consistent, the monitoring tools are better, and most importantly - when I hit print, it just fucking does it. I've had the Core One for less than 3 months, and I'm already into the double digits for number times I hit print and I come back 5 hours later to find.... it hasn't even damn well started the job. Instead... "nozzle wipe failed. Retry?" "different filament is loaded. unload? Select No to start print" (side note - it's just fucking wrong here, the filament from the correct MMU slot IS loaded, I just did it manually at the printer because if I don't and I switch materials - the next print is a guaranteed failure. The MMU is a whole different clusterfuck of bad software design, cool 3d printed engineering, bad software design) "Nozzle clean failed. Retry?" "The bed appears to be unlevel. Perform leveling?" "Bed heating disabled due to inactivity" (This one still stumps me, I hit print, and came back to this message - my guess is nozzle clean fail and this just dismissed the first one... but who knows). "Nozzle wipe failed. Retry?" --- Basically - I am fucking tired of "Core One needs your attention!" popups on my phone. Especially for the stupid things like approving a nozzle clean retry, or re-leveling. I am also sick of wasted time thinking the machine is printing when it's not. Right now, I would absolutely buy a Bambu over anything else in the market for FDM.
xandrius 1y ago
To be fair, phoning home for a printer shouldn't be ok for anyone, regardless of their spirit.
giveita 1y ago
He asked for a good printer not a great one:)

by RickS 1y ago

Aurornis 1y ago

> Enclosed with filter for ABS fumes etc. I agree that the Bambu printers are as good as it gets for plug-and-play printing, but I wouldn't trust the tiny carbon filter for toxic fumes in an indoor environment. The better VOC filters use a larger amount of activated carbon and they recirculate a high volume of chamber air inside the chamber. Activated carbon also needs to be replaced over time as it loses capacity to adsorb more VOCs.

lawn 1y ago
Their printers are also not sealed well. See for example @CanuckCreator on YouTube where he does a teardown, revealing large holes. This is not the way to go with toxic fumes or how to get good ABS printing performance.
- cma 1y ago
  Does it have to be sealed? Thinking of fume hoods which aren't but are ok. Can you link the vid?
  - riknos314 1y ago
    Fume hoods have an exhaust to outside the inhabited area, which allows the interior of the hood to operate at a negative pressure. This means air is drawn in through the gaps rather than allowed to escape through them.
    - cma 1y ago
      If this filter itself is effective, not saying it is, then gaps aren't necessarily a problem depending on where they are and if it still maintains the right pressure/airflow to the filter. Brought up a fume hood because if one of those had a filter for whatever was bad inside, and instead of exhausting outside it went through the filter, it would work still work despite the intentional gap. I'm not saying the gaps are intentional or in the right place here, but that there could be an ok design with gaps. If you are exhausting through a filter you have to pull in air from somewhere.
  - lawn 1y ago
    A fume hood isn't at all comparable to what typically exist in the 3D printer world though. He talks about it in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD__e064_U4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD__e064_U4
    - cma 1y ago
      What's the timestamp? I can't tell from the part near the beginning if the holes that aren't on the part with the fan (presumably with filter in front of it?) sealed to it would be intaking or exhausting, and/or if some of them are for heat from the electronics but not contiguous with the build chamber.

thot_experiment 1y ago

Except this person cares about privacy and openness, and Bambu is an awful VC funded push everyone out by undercutting prices and then enshittify company.

multjoy 1y ago
Their machines are also excellent.
horsawlarway 1y ago
I guess. Having just bought a Prusa Core One because of concerns about the direction Bambu is headed... I regret it. Hands down. It is absolutely worse from a practical standpoint than the much older X1C I have, and the absolutely maddening part is that the "worse" bits are mostly software related. You can hate on Bambu all you want (and frankly - a good chunk of it is well earned, but some is exaggerated or false) - but it feels like they use their products, and they care enough to fix the rough spots. So while I like the ideals of Prusa... I can't say I'm super impressed with their latest offerings. Bambu's ecosystem is justly WILDLY better. The slicer is less annoying, the printer is more consistent, the monitoring tools are better, and most importantly - when I hit print, it just fucking does it. I've had the Core One for less than 3 months, and I'm already into the double digits for number times I hit print and I come back 5 hours later to find.... it hasn't even damn well started the job. Instead... "nozzle wipe failed. Retry?" "different filament is loaded. unload? Select No to start print" (side note - it's just fucking wrong here, the filament from the correct MMU slot IS loaded, I just did it manually at the printer because if I don't and I switch materials - the next print is a guaranteed failure. The MMU is a whole different clusterfuck of bad software design, cool 3d printed engineering, bad software design) "Nozzle clean failed. Retry?" "The bed appears to be unlevel. Perform leveling?" "Bed heating disabled due to inactivity" (This one still stumps me, I hit print, and came back to this message - my guess is nozzle clean fail and this just dismissed the first one... but who knows). "Nozzle wipe failed. Retry?" --- Basically - I am fucking tired of "Core One needs your attention!" popups on my phone. Especially for the stupid things like approving a nozzle clean retry, or re-leveling. I am also sick of wasted time thinking the machine is printing when it's not. Right now, I would absolutely buy a Bambu over anything else in the market for FDM.

xandrius 1y ago

To be fair, phoning home for a printer shouldn't be ok for anyone, regardless of their spirit.

giveita 1y ago

He asked for a good printer not a great one:)