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I sometimes wonder whether we will ever solve all edge cases like the one described here; maybe, autonomous driving will always remain semi and almost there, bu

I sometimes wonder whether we will ever solve all edge cases like the one described here; maybe, autonomous driving will always remain semi and almost there, but never quite fully

dotcoma 1y ago
Not a fan of self-driving cars (nor of cars in general), but isn't Waymo quite a bit ahead of Tesla?
- bediger4000 1y ago
  You're missing the ELOphaNt in the room.
Zigurd 1y ago
Fully enough for SFO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45264562 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45264562 And Nashville: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45275415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45275415 Waymo actually works, and is likely to be at or near breakeven financially.
- yorwba 1y ago
  Waymo uses remote operators to resolve situations that the car can't handle on its own (maybe that includes train crossings), so it doesn't need to be fully self-driving: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ The SFO permit also involves an initial phase using human safety drivers in the car: https://www.sf.gov/news-mayor-lurie-takes-key-step-toward-launching-waymo-at-sfo https://www.sf.gov/news-mayor-lurie-takes-key-step-toward-la... Waymo actually works because they don't insist on automating what they cannot automate safely yet.
  - Zigurd 1y ago
    Nobody hasn't got remote operators. The difference is whether there are a few enough of them for the fleet that scaling service areas doesn't break the bank.
    - yorwba 1y ago
      Does Tesla have remote operators for their "FSD" cars sold to private individuals? That would be news to me.
      - Zigurd 1y ago
        FSD for private cars requires you to be the monitor. Not remotely. But sitting right there in the driver's seat with your eyes being monitored for attention. Tesla Robo taxis have remote monitors and have a safety driver, either in the passenger seat or in the driver's seat. I've seen it suggested that Tesla remotely monitors demo rides. But they don't officially say so.
rsynnott 1y ago
This doesn't seem like that much of an edge-case. Level crossings are not exactly some weird exotic rarely-seen thing, and you'd think they'd actually be relatively easy compared to normal traffic junctions; they're clearly marked on the maps, and they have big obvious flashing red lights.

I sometimes wonder whether we will ever solve all edge cases like the one described here; maybe, autonomous driving will always remain semi and almost there, but never quite fully

dotcoma 1y ago

Not a fan of self-driving cars (nor of cars in general), but isn't Waymo quite a bit ahead of Tesla?

bediger4000 1y ago
You're missing the ELOphaNt in the room.

Zigurd 1y ago

Fully enough for SFO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45264562 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45264562 And Nashville: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45275415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45275415 Waymo actually works, and is likely to be at or near breakeven financially.

yorwba 1y ago
Waymo uses remote operators to resolve situations that the car can't handle on its own (maybe that includes train crossings), so it doesn't need to be fully self-driving: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ The SFO permit also involves an initial phase using human safety drivers in the car: https://www.sf.gov/news-mayor-lurie-takes-key-step-toward-launching-waymo-at-sfo https://www.sf.gov/news-mayor-lurie-takes-key-step-toward-la... Waymo actually works because they don't insist on automating what they cannot automate safely yet.
- Zigurd 1y ago
  Nobody hasn't got remote operators. The difference is whether there are a few enough of them for the fleet that scaling service areas doesn't break the bank.
  - yorwba 1y ago
    Does Tesla have remote operators for their "FSD" cars sold to private individuals? That would be news to me.
    - Zigurd 1y ago
      FSD for private cars requires you to be the monitor. Not remotely. But sitting right there in the driver's seat with your eyes being monitored for attention. Tesla Robo taxis have remote monitors and have a safety driver, either in the passenger seat or in the driver's seat. I've seen it suggested that Tesla remotely monitors demo rides. But they don't officially say so.

rsynnott 1y ago

This doesn't seem like that much of an edge-case. Level crossings are not exactly some weird exotic rarely-seen thing, and you'd think they'd actually be relatively easy compared to normal traffic junctions; they're clearly marked on the maps, and they have big obvious flashing red lights.