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Sounds like YT is trying to mobilize creators and influencers against adblocking.

avian 1y ago
I don't think YouTube needed to do anything. The change influenced creators' bottom line so they are motivated on their own to mobilize their viewers against this change.
- cluckindan 1y ago
  It was YT that changed the ad delivery mechanism to prevent view counting, not adblockers.
  - kllrnohj 1y ago
    It was an easylist change (so adblockers) that caused the issue: https://github.com/easylist/easylist/commit/2d39de407dc96904f00ec91b89d5fa91d29fbfa0 https://github.com/easylist/easylist/commit/2d39de407dc96904... Whether or not you consider that an issue shrug but it's not directly YT's fault.
mustyoshi 1y ago
Ads are how they get paid until they're big enough for alternative revenue generation.
- zelphirkalt 1y ago
  This actually hints at a way out of the YouTube monopoly. Make creators' business model no longer work on YouTube, by blocking the tracking. Make it so that creators are forced to go to other, paid video platforms, instead of them feeding the YouTube monopoly. This might temporarily lead to a collapse in video creator business, but in the long run might result in more viable businesses for creators, without them having to push shit onto their viewers. Make videos and enjoy them being seen, or make paid content and have people pay for that, but don't try to shoehorn it into viewing videos that are accessible for anyone running a Youtube search.
reddalo 1y ago
> against adblocking And extensions such as SponsorBlock [1], which help user skipping sponsored sections or useless intros in videos. [1] https://sponsor.ajay.app/ https://sponsor.ajay.app/
- MattBearman 1y ago
  YouTube premium actually has its own version of sponsorblock called skip ahead, it works really well, so they’re not ideologically opposed to skipping sponsored segments
  - delecti 1y ago
    I've got Youtube premium and have never noticed that popping up. Is this platform or browser dependent? Is it only on some videos?
    - Wohlf 1y ago
      It isn't automatic for me unless I try to skip a sponsored segment myself, then it will kick in and skip me to the end of that segment with a popup above the scroll bar saying they did so.
    - bogtog 1y ago
      Might just be the channels you're viewing. This video should have a "Jump ahead" appear around 0:19: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5PfanIkC0&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5PfanIkC0&t=1s
    - SchemaLoad 1y ago
      On the TV app, if you hit the forward button it instantly skips over the entire "commonly skipped section".
  - humpty-d 1y ago
    That doesn't just target sponsor segments. It's for stuff commonly skipped. Like annoying parts of videos. Some video game guy I occasionally watching thinks he needs to sing for some reason, very useful for skipping those sections.
marcosscriven 1y ago
This was my exact thought when I read about it. YouTube clearly has a record of what I’ve watched, because it’s in my watch history. What they are missing is proof I’ve watched the ads - which I haven’t.
- natebc 1y ago
  They may in fact not know what you watched. I was having an issue with my youtube recommendations becoming generic to the point of irrelevance, when i went and looked at my watch history and it hadn't been updated in MONTHS despite me watching youtube daily. Turns out that pi-hole was blocking the endpoint that records the watch history! IIRC allowing queries for something like s.youtube.com made my watch history start working. I agree that they should know w/o all this client based nonsense but :shrug:. They don't, somehow!
tomrod 1y ago
Morally indefensible. Adblockers are used as a response to Google externalizing/ignoring the cost of proper ad platform curation.
alkonaut 1y ago
Sounds fair? Both creators and YouTube have the same goal of having people watch ads (or pay not to).

I don't think YouTube needed to do anything. The change influenced creators' bottom line so they are motivated on their own to mobilize their viewers against this change.

cluckindan 1y ago
It was YT that changed the ad delivery mechanism to prevent view counting, not adblockers.
- kllrnohj 1y ago
  It was an easylist change (so adblockers) that caused the issue: https://github.com/easylist/easylist/commit/2d39de407dc96904f00ec91b89d5fa91d29fbfa0 https://github.com/easylist/easylist/commit/2d39de407dc96904... Whether or not you consider that an issue shrug but it's not directly YT's fault.

mustyoshi 1y ago

Ads are how they get paid until they're big enough for alternative revenue generation.

zelphirkalt 1y ago
This actually hints at a way out of the YouTube monopoly. Make creators' business model no longer work on YouTube, by blocking the tracking. Make it so that creators are forced to go to other, paid video platforms, instead of them feeding the YouTube monopoly. This might temporarily lead to a collapse in video creator business, but in the long run might result in more viable businesses for creators, without them having to push shit onto their viewers. Make videos and enjoy them being seen, or make paid content and have people pay for that, but don't try to shoehorn it into viewing videos that are accessible for anyone running a Youtube search.

reddalo 1y ago

> against adblocking And extensions such as SponsorBlock [1], which help user skipping sponsored sections or useless intros in videos. [1] https://sponsor.ajay.app/ https://sponsor.ajay.app/

MattBearman 1y ago
YouTube premium actually has its own version of sponsorblock called skip ahead, it works really well, so they’re not ideologically opposed to skipping sponsored segments
- delecti 1y ago
  I've got Youtube premium and have never noticed that popping up. Is this platform or browser dependent? Is it only on some videos?
  - Wohlf 1y ago
    It isn't automatic for me unless I try to skip a sponsored segment myself, then it will kick in and skip me to the end of that segment with a popup above the scroll bar saying they did so.
  - bogtog 1y ago
    Might just be the channels you're viewing. This video should have a "Jump ahead" appear around 0:19: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5PfanIkC0&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5PfanIkC0&t=1s
  - SchemaLoad 1y ago
    On the TV app, if you hit the forward button it instantly skips over the entire "commonly skipped section".
- humpty-d 1y ago
  That doesn't just target sponsor segments. It's for stuff commonly skipped. Like annoying parts of videos. Some video game guy I occasionally watching thinks he needs to sing for some reason, very useful for skipping those sections.

marcosscriven 1y ago

This was my exact thought when I read about it. YouTube clearly has a record of what I’ve watched, because it’s in my watch history. What they are missing is proof I’ve watched the ads - which I haven’t.

natebc 1y ago
They may in fact not know what you watched. I was having an issue with my youtube recommendations becoming generic to the point of irrelevance, when i went and looked at my watch history and it hadn't been updated in MONTHS despite me watching youtube daily. Turns out that pi-hole was blocking the endpoint that records the watch history! IIRC allowing queries for something like s.youtube.com made my watch history start working. I agree that they should know w/o all this client based nonsense but :shrug:. They don't, somehow!

tomrod 1y ago

Morally indefensible. Adblockers are used as a response to Google externalizing/ignoring the cost of proper ad platform curation.

alkonaut 1y ago

Sounds fair? Both creators and YouTube have the same goal of having people watch ads (or pay not to).