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That is interesting, why videos from Gaza has strong effects while Oct 7 don't. Or videos from Ukraine don't. Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is genocide whil

That is interesting, why videos from Gaza has strong effects while Oct 7 don't. Or videos from Ukraine don't. Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is genocide while russians bombing child hospital in Kyiv is ok. Unfortunately not all nations are equal and many suffers because of that.

SXX 1y ago
Unfortunately truth is: western societies don't actually give a shit about either. It just a "popular" trend to support Palestine / Gaza and for a while that was Ukraine. But reality is that people don't really care enough about any of it. Just like they didn't care about wars in Africa, genocide in Cambodia, etc. To actually solve big world problems it would take massive investments and sacrifice quality of life for many and increase taxes on rich. Obviously no one would agree. It's way beyond clicking "like" and "repost" buttons on social app or adding UTF-8 country flag to your name.
- dandanua 1y ago
  It's the same story with the Epstein list. No one gives shit about victims. Trump and GOP did much more horrible things, like literally killing people with their actions. But sex with underage girls takes all the attention and the blame. So all other Trump's crimes, which are countless to this point, are getting faded.
FridayoLeary 1y ago
Lets address the elephant in the room. First of all, to be fair no one is ok with russia bombing hospitals. It's just that at this stage sanctions have been maxed out. Now from watching the coverage of this war you can't help but come to the conclusion that there's an organised but invisible movement opposing the war. The various humanitarian bodies and news outlets like al jazeera and bbc all quote each other in a self reinforcing loop of anti israel talk. If it's not an organised conspiracy at least it's a very strong convergence of interests giving the impression of one. Historically the main opposition to Israel comes from the Arabs with the European countries joining in with various levels of enthusiasm mainly for the pragmatic reason that the Arabs have all the oil. The anti american block is also anti israel because that goes against US interests. It's not surprising then that the UN would be completely taken over by anti israel groups. It's basic maths. But my point is what is the historic motivation for the anti israel movements? It's definitely not out of great sympathy for the palestinians although that's definitely why most Westerners are pro palestinian, but that's just marketing. I think i've established fairly well it all comes back to the Arabs. And their motivation without a question is genocidal anti semitism. They are just upset the Germans didn't finish off their job and they are taking everyone else along for the ride. I'm not saying there can be no legitimate opposition to Israel, but it's my belief, backed up by a certain amount of historical evidence that most of the opposition from official sources has its roots in anti semitism.
- cindyllm 1y ago
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- ponector 1y ago
  >> It's just that at this stage sanctions have been maxed out. That is not true. Political will to introduce sanctions is maxed out. And current US administration has even less interest in doing so than previous. >>But my point is what is the historic motivation for the anti israel movements? It's definitely not out of great sympathy for the palestinians although that's definitely why most Westerners are pro palestinian, but that's just marketing.I think i've established fairly well it all comes back to the Arabs. Funny enough, no Arab country wants to really help Palestinians, to open borders for refugees. To host palestinians who lost wars with Israel.
  - Aerbil313 1y ago
    It's common knowledge among people living in Arab countries that most Muslim countries' presidents are a sockpuppet from either the US or Russia. The exceptions are so few they can be counted on one hand. Mohamed Morsi was widely mourned in my not-even-Arab Muslim country when he died 5 years ago, as one of the few democratically elected presidents in the Islamic world. He was overthrown by the 2013 military coup d'état[1]. Currently, the dictator Sisi rules over Egypt, who is not opening the border for Palestinians. US does this regularly. See the US involvement in regime changes around the world[2]. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Egyptian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Egyptian_coup_d%27%C3%A9t... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
yencabulator 1y ago
Meanwhile, the bombs exploding in Kyiv weren't sold to Russia by the US.
LorenPechtel 1y ago
Fundamentally, Gaza has a strong effect because so much effort is made to shove it in our faces as a way of attacking Israel. Virtually no mention to the far worse horrors Iran is perpetrating elsewhere.

SXX 1y ago

Unfortunately truth is: western societies don't actually give a shit about either. It just a "popular" trend to support Palestine / Gaza and for a while that was Ukraine. But reality is that people don't really care enough about any of it. Just like they didn't care about wars in Africa, genocide in Cambodia, etc. To actually solve big world problems it would take massive investments and sacrifice quality of life for many and increase taxes on rich. Obviously no one would agree. It's way beyond clicking "like" and "repost" buttons on social app or adding UTF-8 country flag to your name.

dandanua 1y ago
It's the same story with the Epstein list. No one gives shit about victims. Trump and GOP did much more horrible things, like literally killing people with their actions. But sex with underage girls takes all the attention and the blame. So all other Trump's crimes, which are countless to this point, are getting faded.

FridayoLeary 1y ago

Lets address the elephant in the room. First of all, to be fair no one is ok with russia bombing hospitals. It's just that at this stage sanctions have been maxed out. Now from watching the coverage of this war you can't help but come to the conclusion that there's an organised but invisible movement opposing the war. The various humanitarian bodies and news outlets like al jazeera and bbc all quote each other in a self reinforcing loop of anti israel talk. If it's not an organised conspiracy at least it's a very strong convergence of interests giving the impression of one. Historically the main opposition to Israel comes from the Arabs with the European countries joining in with various levels of enthusiasm mainly for the pragmatic reason that the Arabs have all the oil. The anti american block is also anti israel because that goes against US interests. It's not surprising then that the UN would be completely taken over by anti israel groups. It's basic maths. But my point is what is the historic motivation for the anti israel movements? It's definitely not out of great sympathy for the palestinians although that's definitely why most Westerners are pro palestinian, but that's just marketing. I think i've established fairly well it all comes back to the Arabs. And their motivation without a question is genocidal anti semitism. They are just upset the Germans didn't finish off their job and they are taking everyone else along for the ride. I'm not saying there can be no legitimate opposition to Israel, but it's my belief, backed up by a certain amount of historical evidence that most of the opposition from official sources has its roots in anti semitism.

cindyllm 1y ago
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ponector 1y ago
>> It's just that at this stage sanctions have been maxed out. That is not true. Political will to introduce sanctions is maxed out. And current US administration has even less interest in doing so than previous. >>But my point is what is the historic motivation for the anti israel movements? It's definitely not out of great sympathy for the palestinians although that's definitely why most Westerners are pro palestinian, but that's just marketing.I think i've established fairly well it all comes back to the Arabs. Funny enough, no Arab country wants to really help Palestinians, to open borders for refugees. To host palestinians who lost wars with Israel.
- Aerbil313 1y ago
  It's common knowledge among people living in Arab countries that most Muslim countries' presidents are a sockpuppet from either the US or Russia. The exceptions are so few they can be counted on one hand. Mohamed Morsi was widely mourned in my not-even-Arab Muslim country when he died 5 years ago, as one of the few democratically elected presidents in the Islamic world. He was overthrown by the 2013 military coup d'état[1]. Currently, the dictator Sisi rules over Egypt, who is not opening the border for Palestinians. US does this regularly. See the US involvement in regime changes around the world[2]. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Egyptian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Egyptian_coup_d%27%C3%A9t... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

yencabulator 1y ago

Meanwhile, the bombs exploding in Kyiv weren't sold to Russia by the US.

LorenPechtel 1y ago

Fundamentally, Gaza has a strong effect because so much effort is made to shove it in our faces as a way of attacking Israel. Virtually no mention to the far worse horrors Iran is perpetrating elsewhere.