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It seems very unlikely that the A5 used in the 4s was a fallback plan. First of all, they were already getting a huge speed bump by going from single core A8
by jsnell 14y ago
It seems very unlikely that the A5 used in the 4s was a fallback plan.
First of all, they were already getting a huge speed bump by going from single core A8 to dual-core A9. So existing iPhone users would have been happy. There was also no foreseeable external competitive pressure at the time, everyone knew that there weren't going to be any S4 phones for 6-9 months, and that Tegra 3 would be a joke.
They were also still on a 45nm process, and the A5 with dual-core A9s was already huge (120 mm^2). They would not have wanted to increase that at all, even if they had a working design of their own. What would have been the options? Seems like it would have been either reducing GPU resources, or dropping a core. Hard to see either of those being worth it.
Finally, one could argue that they main plan was their own core@32nm, and the A9@45nm was the fallback if there were process troubles. But these days there seems to be a strong preference to alternate new designs with new process nodes, rather than doing both at the same time. And in fact this conservative option is exactly the one Apple picked next spring: the iPad refreshes were a mix of 32nm parts (simple shrink) and 45 ones (higher clock, more GPU). If Apple weren't willing to risk going to 32nm even for a design iteration as conservative as A5 -> A5x (and the process was clearly working for them with the A5 shrink), the idea that they would have tried for a radical new design + new node 6 months earlier doesn't seem credible.
- dmpk2k 14y agoCould you elaborate on the problems with Tegra 3?
- w0utert 14y agoComparatively weak single-threaded performance, weak GPU performance, constrained memory interface, high power consumption when not running only the companion core. Tegra 3 isn't terrible, but just like previous Tegra chips it was so hyped up before launch and again turned out to be among the weaker ARM chips of its generation. Exynos, Snapdragon S4, Apple A5 (and now A6) and OMAP 4 beat Tegra 3 on everything except synthetic multi-threaded benchmarks (because it has 4 cores, obviously).
- jsnell 14y agoI don't know about the GPU, my impression was that it was competitive (the single-channel memory interface probably doesn't help), but otherwise that's spot on. It really seemed to be a design whose main goal was to have the most cores for marketing purposes. And of course they launched on a process that was just about to become obsolete, and haven't been able to do a shrink. Not sure why, though. Complications with the companion core? Just NVidia's general inability to get 28nm to work? (Commercially it didn't help that they were unable to get access to a competitive LTE modem. That meant there was no shot at the US phone market. But that's not particularly a failing of NVidia, everyone but Qualcomm has that problem.)