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I agree and it means that the critics have part in why Israels only action is to see it through and more or less upend Hamas. And it probably will go on for man

I agree and it means that the critics have part in why Israels only action is to see it through and more or less upend Hamas. And it probably will go on for many months. With pressure on Hamas to surrender after being defeated in a war they started, this conflict would probably be over long ago.

goatlover 1y ago
Wild blaming Israel's critics for something the Israeli government and military are doing. How can Hamas possibly remain a threat at his point? How many tens of thousands of more Palestinians need to die? Enough is enough!
- raxxorraxor 1y ago
  Pressure Hamas to surrender would have saved many people from getting killed, but only a day after Israel was attacked the criticism against Israel started. The reality is that it was not the aggressor in the latest war, which also shines light on the accusation of genocide.
- YZF 1y ago
  I agree that today Hamas isn't a huge threat. However it still has considerable weaponry and underground facilities and it is still holding Israeli hostages. The issue isn't Hamas tomorrow. The issue is the consequence of letting Hamas retake the entire Gaza strip and rebuild itself, and the loss of deterrence when Hamas is going to declare they won the war once it ends on their terms. I can relate to your point though and many people would agree with you. Let's stop killing people and see where this takes us is not an unreasonable position. But Israel is still in PTSD from Oct 7th and the mood is that it can't afford to take a chance here and that any stop/pause will just result in a higher price for Israelis and Palestinians paid a little down the line. The truly totally "unreasonable" side here is Hamas and I see how you can't understand their calculus because it is so death-cult fanatical.
shellkr 1y ago
No, I don't think it would have. Israels objective is to occupy everything as it is and have been using illegal settlements to achieve. This prolonged war and genocide of Palestinians is just an excuse to further that goal. The oppression is the biggest reason Hamas can grow. If that stopped I think with time Hamas would weaken and disappear. Like IRA in Northen Ireland eventually did.
- raxxorraxor 1y ago
  > Israels objective is to occupy everything Wrong. It is only their goal to occupy "everything" because they got attacked and need to secure their borders. Israel already tried to completely withdraw from Gaza which evidently isn't a feasible solution. And this behavior, which cannot sensibly disputed, would also directly and thoroughly contradict any ambitions for genocide as well for that matter. Israel has to leave the west bank eventually and what they do is wrong. But it is only tangentially related to the current war in Gaza.

goatlover 1y ago

Wild blaming Israel's critics for something the Israeli government and military are doing. How can Hamas possibly remain a threat at his point? How many tens of thousands of more Palestinians need to die? Enough is enough!

raxxorraxor 1y ago
Pressure Hamas to surrender would have saved many people from getting killed, but only a day after Israel was attacked the criticism against Israel started. The reality is that it was not the aggressor in the latest war, which also shines light on the accusation of genocide.
YZF 1y ago
I agree that today Hamas isn't a huge threat. However it still has considerable weaponry and underground facilities and it is still holding Israeli hostages. The issue isn't Hamas tomorrow. The issue is the consequence of letting Hamas retake the entire Gaza strip and rebuild itself, and the loss of deterrence when Hamas is going to declare they won the war once it ends on their terms. I can relate to your point though and many people would agree with you. Let's stop killing people and see where this takes us is not an unreasonable position. But Israel is still in PTSD from Oct 7th and the mood is that it can't afford to take a chance here and that any stop/pause will just result in a higher price for Israelis and Palestinians paid a little down the line. The truly totally "unreasonable" side here is Hamas and I see how you can't understand their calculus because it is so death-cult fanatical.

shellkr 1y ago

No, I don't think it would have. Israels objective is to occupy everything as it is and have been using illegal settlements to achieve. This prolonged war and genocide of Palestinians is just an excuse to further that goal. The oppression is the biggest reason Hamas can grow. If that stopped I think with time Hamas would weaken and disappear. Like IRA in Northen Ireland eventually did.

raxxorraxor 1y ago
> Israels objective is to occupy everything Wrong. It is only their goal to occupy "everything" because they got attacked and need to secure their borders. Israel already tried to completely withdraw from Gaza which evidently isn't a feasible solution. And this behavior, which cannot sensibly disputed, would also directly and thoroughly contradict any ambitions for genocide as well for that matter. Israel has to leave the west bank eventually and what they do is wrong. But it is only tangentially related to the current war in Gaza.