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> and why would you euphemize nuclear bombs onto civilian cities like this, as if it isn't significantly more brutal than anything the Palestinians have been su

• energy123 1y ago
  How can six Hiroshimas kill less civilians than the actual Hiroshima (let alone the fire bombings) despite much higher density? The answer to this question might unlock something in your mind.
  • tdeck 1y ago
    We don't have anhthing like a complete count of the dead yet. The 60k number the media still reports has barely moved in a year because Israel destroyed almost all of the health infrastructure that used to report deaths, and even before that people trapped in the rubble and not identified by anyone weren't counted.
    • energy123 1y ago
      That's true, but that 60k number isn't just civilians, and even if the total civilian count is higher than 60k, it's still likely lower than the civilians killed in Hiroshima, which is an inconvenient fact best left unmentioned by those who say that Israel has unleashed six Hiroshimas onto a location that's over 10x higher density than 1945 Hiroshima. How do you resolve this discrepancy?
      • tdeck 1y ago
        There's no discrepancy because there aren't numbers. The 60,000 number is a dramatic undercount. The fatalities were being undercounted even before Israel had attacked every hospital in Gaza multiple times. There are mass graves occasionally found in Gaza but nobody is able to go through and document everything while they're still being genocided. In any situation like this it takes decades of research to try to reach an accurate count and even then there are is huge uncertainty, particularly when whole extended families are murdered all at once. Look at the Hiroshima death toll estimates - between 90,000 and 166,000 people killed. And this is the best estimate after decades of research. Almost none of that can take place now in Gaza. But of course I'm talking to someone who pretends to believe you can carpet bomb an entire city of 2 million people relentlessly, cut off food and water, and kill fewer than 60,000 civilians.
        • energy123 1y ago
          I mean, there is a discrepancy, because even if I grant you your wildest guess as the base case, it is still going to be vastly lower than 6 Hiroshimas, despite 10x higher density, which makes no sense. So maybe it is not "carpet bombing", at least not how it was done in WW2 or Vietnam, and maybe such vague, loaded words are being deployed more for rhetorical effect than for descriptive accuracy. It kind of looks like ... a war?
• dotancohen 1y ago
  That article states that the equivalent explosive power of the bomds dropped on Gaza were equal to six times the explosive power of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Yet despite all that firepower having been dropped in one of the most densely populated places on Earth, the death toll in Gaza is an order of magnitude less than that in Hiroshima. This makes it very clear that Israel is doing an excellent job of protecting civilians in Gaza, by warning civilians away from the targeted military infrastructure. Unless you want to argue that Hamas (who famously forbids civilians to flee bombings and has been recorded shooting at fleeing civilians) is somehow protecting the civilians in Gaza.