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We are doing state capitalism without China’s “serve the people” bit. Hm, maybe there’s a name for that type of government, idk.
by lukewrites 1y ago
We are doing state capitalism without China’s “serve the people” bit. Hm, maybe there’s a name for that type of government, idk.
- morkalork 1y agoCareful now, you don't want to accused of spreading hate speech
- palmotea 1y ago> We are doing state capitalism without China’s “serve the people” bit. Hm, maybe there’s a name for that type of government, idk. Except China doesn't actually serve its people. Things are way more cut-throat there, with much less safety net. The Chinese government sees workers as grist for the mill, not something to be cared for.
- johnisgood 1y ago> The Chinese government sees workers as grist for the mill, not something to be cared for. I think this is universal, but perhaps China indeed may be worse.
- tsunamifury 1y agoThere is a significant difference in a population of 70 million educated workers who need to be maintained for high performance and 400 million low skill workers who are highly replaceable. I am trying to make no judgement here, just explaining then 'motivational environment' This math of course is in flux to a degree we haven't seen in maybe 1000+ years though right now.
- klipt 1y ago> 70 million educated workers who need to be maintained for high performance But what if AI surpasses human skill and now you have need for 0 educated workers. Not good for human citizens...
- tsunamifury 1y agoThus my final statement about this math being in flux
- estearum 1y agoEh, quality of life has gone to the moon in China in living memory. Not nearly as much a positive delta here in the US.
- palmotea 1y ago> Eh, quality of life has gone to the moon in China in living memory. Not nearly as much a positive delta here in the US. The Chinese rural population still isn't eligible for local equivalent of social security in their old age (that's only for city folks), and IIRC there was a huge unwillingness to provide financial assistance to individuals during COVID.
- estearum 1y agoSure, and also quality of life has gone to the moon in China in living memory.
- Zigurd 1y agoA few hundred million of that rural population have become city folk.
- palmotea 1y ago> A few hundred million of that rural population have become city folk. Not legally, IIRC China has an internal passport system, and workers who migrate to the city from the countryside typically remain must registered in the countryside (and are therefore denied access to city benefits).
- frm88 1y agohukou has changed a lot, particularly since 2014 and you'll find that it exist in its strictest form only for cities > 5 million inhabitants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou
- rtkwe 1y agoI think you can it's just shifted by several decades because China took a long dark detour through the Cultural Revolution. QoL exploded in the US in the Post War period, partially imo because we were the only industrialized economy that didn't have significant homeland attacks during WW2 so the US got a straight shot to the top of the heap. China got a similar QoL lift through a similar path, mass manufacturing (this time business taken from the US by being far cheaper) and growth of in country expertise. Now even China is feeling a similar cost squeeze drawing some business to smaller neighbors. They're also just so much larger they can sustain a larger gradient between coasts that look closer to '1st' world costs and poorer interiors where cheaper manufacturing can be done.
- pphysch 1y agoA government-provided safety net is not an absolute good; you need to ask what holes are being filled. Just because you have fewer full-body casts than someone who just got in a bad wreck, does not mean you are worse off.
- rchaud 1y ago"Democratic People's Republic of America"
- uncircle 1y agoProbably more like "Republican People's Democracy of America"