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It's not a party - it's an ideology: zionism [1], for which there is widespread left and right support. It is almost like a 20th century manifest destiny [2], w
by somenameforme 1y ago
It's not a party - it's an ideology: zionism [1], for which there is widespread left and right support. It is almost like a 20th century manifest destiny [2], with largely the same inevitable outcome.
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
- adastra22 1y ago[flagged]
- somenameforme 1y agoLike with Manifest Destiny the problem comes when the area you want to decide to call your own already has people living there. I'd also add that there is no sort of human right to having your own homogeneous country. Most countries in the world have large sects of the population that would like to form their own autonomous states, many with populations substantially larger than that which initially carved out Israel for themselves. Unfortunately we live on a planet in which most of all land that's remotely habitable has been claimed by somebody.
- adastra22 1y agoIsrael isn't a homogenous country. It is majority jewish, but there are large minorities of Arabs, Druze, levant Christians, etc. These minorities--just under 30% of the population--hold full citizenship and have the same civil rights as any other Israeli. Zionism is a desire to have a majority-jewish state that is strong enough to protect jews from future pogroms. It is not a quest for a homogenous state.
- darick 1y agoYes, and surely these minorities are not treated like second class citizens? What's that? "A 2018 report by the Israeli State Comptroller on the protection of non-Jewish civilians found that 46% of Arab citizens in Israel lack access to adequate shelters, compared to 26% of the general population" In the context of bomb shelters.
- dotancohen 1y agoBecause individual municipalities are the ones who build the bomb shelters, and the Arab municipalities put no effort in that direction. And before you declare that the existence of Arab municipalities make Israel an apartheid state, all Israeli cities are mixed.
- linehedonist 1y agoIf all Israeli cities are mixed, then what is an Arab municipality? What point exactly are you trying to make?
- dotancohen 1y agoArab villages. Villages that start off with Arab inhabitants do not allow Jews to rent or buy property there. It's not a problem. But it makes these villages Arab only. Likewise, there are Jewish villages. Few of these have Arab inhabitants, but it is not forbidden for them to move in.
- natch 1y ago[flagged]
- ratelimitsteve 1y agoI love the phrase "became available" in this paragraph
- therobots927 1y agoYou’re witnessing extreme levels of cognitive dissonance. This individual isn’t trying to convince anyone. They’re trying to convince themselves. Benign phrasing to avoid calling it a land grab is clear evidence of this in action.
- natch 1y agoOkay… "land grab" works too. Grabbing back those parts of their ancestral homeland that were abandoned by the aggressors.
- ratelimitsteve 1y agowhen does history stop?
- natch 1y agoThis chapter will stop when the hostages are returned and Hamas is defeated.
- Swenrekcah 1y ago>like all other peoples, have an intrinsic human right to self-determination and a state to call their own, and should not live as second class citizens at the whim of the states in which they reside. All other people except Palestinians then? It sure seems like this is exactly the treatment they have received over the decades.
- adastra22 1y agoYes, Palestinians have a right to self-determination as well. That is not at odds with Zionist beliefs, so long as there is room for BOTH peoples to reach a compromise on a solution that meets the core needs of both Jews and Arabs. That remains elusive.
- Swenrekcah 1y agoIt really does not seem like this is the actual view of those in control of Israel.
- adastra22 1y agoI fail to see the relevance. Zionism is a belief about the primary importance of Jewish self-determination. It is not tied to contemporary Israeli politics, whatever that might be.
- natch 1y ago[flagged]
- Swenrekcah 1y agoMy sympathies are with all the civilian population in the area. By your own logic here, you would suggest that the people killed in the heinous terrorist attack in october 2023 were killed because they did not stop being violent? Of course that is a ridiculous statement. Palestinians have been oppressed and attacked and their land taken, by Israel, for many decades. This does not justify terrorist attacks, but neither do the attacks justify what Israel has done. We can keep in mind that the most promising peace deal was sabotaged by extremists from Israel. I have no sympathy for terrorists of any nationality or designation, which is why I condemn both Hamas and the current administration of Israel.
- Hikikomori 1y agoAlmost every country have minorities that have had atrocities done against them, Jews are not special in that regard. The problem is that there was already people living in the area you colonized, and are now geocoding. Your supposed intrinsic human right is butting your boot on a peoples throat.
- adastra22 1y agoI am regretfully neither Israeli nor Jewish.
- vFunct 1y ago[flagged]