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The median household net worth in the US is $193,000. The rate of home ownership is 65%. I don’t think the median American is at risk of becoming homeless durin

The median household net worth in the US is $193,000. The rate of home ownership is 65%. I don’t think the median American is at risk of becoming homeless during normal unemployment. Maybe you mean that the article isn’t as relevant for a global audience which is fine, but I would think that the median American lives in “the real world”. https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scf/dataviz/scf/table/#series:Net_Worth;demographic:all;population:all;units:median https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scf/dataviz/scf/table... https://www.nahb.org/blog/2024/08/lowest-homeownership-rate-in-four-years https://www.nahb.org/blog/2024/08/lowest-homeownership-rate-...

infecto 1y ago
I am not sure that means what you think it does. That’s not liquid dollars and does not mean those home owners have savings for emergencies.
- smegma2 1y ago
  The median American also owns $39,000 in liquid financial assets. https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/scf23.pdf https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/scf23.pdf (page 22, “Financial Assets” section)
  - Terr_ 1y ago
    It doesn't say liquid assets though, it mentions multiple options which vary in how easily you can/should use one to pay an unexpected bill or period of unemployment. For example, if one is using their life-insurance payouts to pay their rent... well, something has gone very wrong somewhere. Specifically, this part: > financial asset—which includes transaction accounts, certificates of deposit, savings bonds, other bonds, stocks, pooled investment funds, retirement accounts, cash value life insurance, and other managed assets For the highly-liquid "transaction accounts" (checking, savings, money-market) the conditional [0] median is just $8k. [0] AFAICT "conditional" here means "we don't include $0 data points in the median." That explains why the subcategory of "stocks" has a higher conditional median value than the more-general category of financial assets.
    - smegma2 1y ago
      Sure, I couldn’t find a better data source than that. If you find a better source that includes liquid assets specifically that would be helpful. I am skeptical that of the 39k in assets listed there, there isn’t a substantial amount that can be used to pay the bills (i.e. who has $39k in their 401k but $0 anywhere else?).
      - Terr_ 1y ago
        It seems some "Survey Data" files are publicly available [0], but without investing a bit more effort in parsing them (which is definitely not happening on my phone) I'm not sure if they have the kind of household-by-household data that could be used. https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scfindex.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scfindex.htm
  - infecto 1y ago
    Again I don’t think that means what you think it means. It says “value of all financial assets” which includes banking accounts, cds, stocks, bonds etc. that is not liquid. The next exact line it calls out those bank accounts and the mean at $8,000. That is not a lot of liquid emergency savings for a household let’s say of 3. So I don’t think your point stands.
    - smegma2 1y ago
      Everything you listed is liquid. CDs can be withdrawn early for a small penalty, and most likely without even losing any of your principal.
      - infecto 1y ago
        Again that number is inclusive of retirement accounts, hard to say much without knowing the breakdown but we do know $8k is the closet cash number. I would suspect the majority of the rest are in retirement accounts. Sure bonds and stocks are liquid but not like cash is. Using Fred is not that useful for these type of exercises as I don’t think those datapoints do a great job on topics like this. So I don’t see what you are trying to point out. Most surveys I have seen put something like a quarter of Americans without any emergency savings.
throwaway173738 1y ago
Good luck accessing any of your home equity if you don’t have a job. I guess you could just sell your house of many years and move your family into an apartment.
- carlosjobim 1y ago
  Yes, obviously that's what you have to do. And also thank God that you have that asset to sell to give you emergency cash.
  - autoexec 1y ago
    In may cases that'd be very foolish since mortgage payments are often way lower than rent.
    - reaperducer 1y ago
      Until you factor in maintenance, utilities, taxes, etc… Depending on where you live, renting is often cheaper than owning, but real estate agents who make money off selling houses will never tell you the full cost of owning a home.

infecto 1y ago

I am not sure that means what you think it does. That’s not liquid dollars and does not mean those home owners have savings for emergencies.

smegma2 1y ago
The median American also owns $39,000 in liquid financial assets. https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/scf23.pdf https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/scf23.pdf (page 22, “Financial Assets” section)
- Terr_ 1y ago
  It doesn't say liquid assets though, it mentions multiple options which vary in how easily you can/should use one to pay an unexpected bill or period of unemployment. For example, if one is using their life-insurance payouts to pay their rent... well, something has gone very wrong somewhere. Specifically, this part: > financial asset—which includes transaction accounts, certificates of deposit, savings bonds, other bonds, stocks, pooled investment funds, retirement accounts, cash value life insurance, and other managed assets For the highly-liquid "transaction accounts" (checking, savings, money-market) the conditional [0] median is just $8k. [0] AFAICT "conditional" here means "we don't include $0 data points in the median." That explains why the subcategory of "stocks" has a higher conditional median value than the more-general category of financial assets.
  - smegma2 1y ago
    Sure, I couldn’t find a better data source than that. If you find a better source that includes liquid assets specifically that would be helpful. I am skeptical that of the 39k in assets listed there, there isn’t a substantial amount that can be used to pay the bills (i.e. who has $39k in their 401k but $0 anywhere else?).
    - Terr_ 1y ago
      It seems some "Survey Data" files are publicly available [0], but without investing a bit more effort in parsing them (which is definitely not happening on my phone) I'm not sure if they have the kind of household-by-household data that could be used. https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scfindex.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scfindex.htm
- infecto 1y ago
  Again I don’t think that means what you think it means. It says “value of all financial assets” which includes banking accounts, cds, stocks, bonds etc. that is not liquid. The next exact line it calls out those bank accounts and the mean at $8,000. That is not a lot of liquid emergency savings for a household let’s say of 3. So I don’t think your point stands.
  - smegma2 1y ago
    Everything you listed is liquid. CDs can be withdrawn early for a small penalty, and most likely without even losing any of your principal.
    - infecto 1y ago
      Again that number is inclusive of retirement accounts, hard to say much without knowing the breakdown but we do know $8k is the closet cash number. I would suspect the majority of the rest are in retirement accounts. Sure bonds and stocks are liquid but not like cash is. Using Fred is not that useful for these type of exercises as I don’t think those datapoints do a great job on topics like this. So I don’t see what you are trying to point out. Most surveys I have seen put something like a quarter of Americans without any emergency savings.

throwaway173738 1y ago

Good luck accessing any of your home equity if you don’t have a job. I guess you could just sell your house of many years and move your family into an apartment.

carlosjobim 1y ago
Yes, obviously that's what you have to do. And also thank God that you have that asset to sell to give you emergency cash.
- autoexec 1y ago
  In may cases that'd be very foolish since mortgage payments are often way lower than rent.
  - reaperducer 1y ago
    Until you factor in maintenance, utilities, taxes, etc… Depending on where you live, renting is often cheaper than owning, but real estate agents who make money off selling houses will never tell you the full cost of owning a home.