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Serious question, will you abstain from voting? There are only 2 parties and they both fund Israel. One maybe slightly less.
by UmGuys 1y ago
Serious question, will you abstain from voting? There are only 2 parties and they both fund Israel. One maybe slightly less.
- tootie 1y agoHalf of democratic senators and zero Republicans voted to suspend arms sales to Israel. So, there's clearly a more amenable party in this debate. The Dems who didn't sign on, we lobby or primary.
- UmGuys 1y agoI qualified it. Generally speaking, they both support it. They even called the campus protests for peace antisemetism during Biden's term. Of course the GOP are much worse, but there's definitely reason to dislike both in this regard.
- sporkxrocket 1y agoYes, I will. I will not vote for anyone who supports Israel. My vote is here for the taking, I just need to see an anti-Zionist candidate.
- hedora 1y agoThis line of reasoning helped get Trump in. It’s hard to say what Harris would have done, but it’s unlikely she would have greenlit the complete demolition of Gaza so she could build a resort. Similarly, I doubt she would have forced places like UC Berkeley to send her lists of people critical of Israel (like you), then opened critical investigations against them. Refusing to vote is the best way to ensure policies you object to the most are expanded.
- sporkxrocket 1y agoCommitting genocide helped Trump win. That’s squarely on democrats.
- UmGuys 1y agoI don't really understand this perspective. Obviously the consensus position across both parties has been to support Israel more. This is a bit murky with the (for lack of a better term) Nazi elements of maga, but GOP still claims to want to arm them more.
- sporkxrocket 1y agoI don't vote for Zionists or genocide. It really is pretty simple. I also am unwilling to build my comfort on the backs of mass murder. In many ways it's better to have Trump so we can feel one tiny bit of the pain we're inflicting on others. We need drastic change and at some point the dam is going to break.
- aiisjustanif 1y agoSo when is the last time you voted for a president, if ever depending on your age?
- sporkxrocket 1y agoNever and I feel very good about that given every candidate of my lifetime.
- hedora 1y agoYou realize that means you voted 0.5 votes for every candidate that has been in office then, right? Congrats on supporting genocide.
- wnc3141 1y agoI think on foreign policy, the two candidates weren't that far apart, (although I would suspect the winds would have shifted quickly under Kamala) Importantly, as someone pointed above that the difference is in the domestic agenda where Israel is used as an excuse for to crack down on institutions and dissent.
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- fatbird 1y agoThen you're privileging your own sense of moral purity over the welfare of the Palestinians. The situation is manifestly worse for them now, as was predictable. I hope the cleanliness of your hands makes that bearable.
- sporkxrocket 1y agoI'm sure the tens of thousands of Palestinians killed by "your team" would beg to differ. I don't vote for genocide, full stop. I also don't vote for Zionists. What's more important to democrats, Israel or winning elections?
- fatbird 1y agoYou vote for the options you have, not the options you want. It was your choice, not the Democrats's fault.
- sporkxrocket 1y agoNot voting for those committing genocide is an option I have and will take every time. If the democrats want my vote, they know how to win it.
- fatbird 1y agoGiven a choice between a lesser and a greater evil, you abstained. The welfare of Palestinians is not your priority.
- sporkxrocket 1y agoThis type of false rhetoric to support genocide makes me feel even more confident in my decision. Want my vote? Oppose Israel. It’s as simple as that. People who commit genocide have no moral high ground.
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- Buttons840 1y agoYou must vote, but I wont fault anyone for voting 3rd party (or leaving a blank ballot, if you must). Voting 3rd party sends a message: "be more like this 3rd party if you want my vote". Not voting also sends a message: "I wont show up and vote, so just ignore me".
- sporkxrocket 1y agoThat's not true at all. Even Alexis de Tocqueville discussed the value in not voting. It takes away the mandate from politicians. I don't think we live in a real democracy and I'm not giving legitimacy to fake, fully-Zionist elections. Direct action is much more effective and at some point our government will dissolve if the vast majority of people exit the optics of fake democracy.
- aiisjustanif 1y agoAre you saying that if enough people do not vote that our government will dissolve?
- sporkxrocket 1y agoYes.
- rcpt 1y agoStop this nonsense.
- UmGuys 1y agoIt's hard to understand what you mean. Logically, if you don't want to support Israel, you should vote Dem or abstain as Dems support them slightly less.
- therobots927 1y agoNo, I won’t stop. And you can’t make me.