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so US users will be cut off from the rest of the world? Wow. Thats crazy.
by Tarsul 1y ago
so US users will be cut off from the rest of the world? Wow. Thats crazy.
- TranquilMarmot 1y agoTikTok in China is already cut off from the rest of the world. The US is just copying China's homework.
- lukewrites 1y agoWe are doing state capitalism without China’s “serve the people” bit. Hm, maybe there’s a name for that type of government, idk.
- morkalork 1y agoCareful now, you don't want to accused of spreading hate speech
- palmotea 1y ago> We are doing state capitalism without China’s “serve the people” bit. Hm, maybe there’s a name for that type of government, idk. Except China doesn't actually serve its people. Things are way more cut-throat there, with much less safety net. The Chinese government sees workers as grist for the mill, not something to be cared for.
- johnisgood 1y ago> The Chinese government sees workers as grist for the mill, not something to be cared for. I think this is universal, but perhaps China indeed may be worse.
- tsunamifury 1y agoThere is a significant difference in a population of 70 million educated workers who need to be maintained for high performance and 400 million low skill workers who are highly replaceable. I am trying to make no judgement here, just explaining then 'motivational environment' This math of course is in flux to a degree we haven't seen in maybe 1000+ years though right now.
- klipt 1y ago> 70 million educated workers who need to be maintained for high performance But what if AI surpasses human skill and now you have need for 0 educated workers. Not good for human citizens...
- tsunamifury 1y agoThus my final statement about this math being in flux
- estearum 1y agoEh, quality of life has gone to the moon in China in living memory. Not nearly as much a positive delta here in the US.
- palmotea 1y ago> Eh, quality of life has gone to the moon in China in living memory. Not nearly as much a positive delta here in the US. The Chinese rural population still isn't eligible for local equivalent of social security in their old age (that's only for city folks), and IIRC there was a huge unwillingness to provide financial assistance to individuals during COVID.
- estearum 1y agoSure, and also quality of life has gone to the moon in China in living memory.
- Zigurd 1y agoA few hundred million of that rural population have become city folk.
- palmotea 1y ago> A few hundred million of that rural population have become city folk. Not legally, IIRC China has an internal passport system, and workers who migrate to the city from the countryside typically remain must registered in the countryside (and are therefore denied access to city benefits).
- frm88 1y agohukou has changed a lot, particularly since 2014 and you'll find that it exist in its strictest form only for cities > 5 million inhabitants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou
- rtkwe 1y agoI think you can it's just shifted by several decades because China took a long dark detour through the Cultural Revolution. QoL exploded in the US in the Post War period, partially imo because we were the only industrialized economy that didn't have significant homeland attacks during WW2 so the US got a straight shot to the top of the heap. China got a similar QoL lift through a similar path, mass manufacturing (this time business taken from the US by being far cheaper) and growth of in country expertise. Now even China is feeling a similar cost squeeze drawing some business to smaller neighbors. They're also just so much larger they can sustain a larger gradient between coasts that look closer to '1st' world costs and poorer interiors where cheaper manufacturing can be done.
- pphysch 1y agoA government-provided safety net is not an absolute good; you need to ask what holes are being filled. Just because you have fewer full-body casts than someone who just got in a bad wreck, does not mean you are worse off.
- rchaud 1y ago"Democratic People's Republic of America"
- uncircle 1y agoProbably more like "Republican People's Democracy of America"
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y agoThis. I think people in general misunderstand the allure of power and the means to maintain it. Power centers in US are drooling at the opportunity to do what China has done in terms of controlling discourse and language. The interesting thing is that they all assume that this particular measure of control would never be turned against them. edit: Adjusted weapon to 'measure of control'. I accept people are a little too happy to overreact lately.
- kaveh_h 1y agoIn a democracy where the politicians change every 4-8 years this is receipt for disaster. The next administration will undo action taken by the previous one. In effect destroying any momentum or progress for achieving anything. For China and Russia this is not a problem because of the totalitarian state.
- dashundchen 1y agoThese fascist Republicans are not intending on giving up power. A bit China mixed with the sham democracies of Russia, Hungary or Turkey - this is the model they're going for. What do you think the push behind the new gerrymandered districts is for? Why do you think they are assembling a national voter registration database that hasn't existed before? https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-doj-national-voter-database-non-citizens-rcna230393 https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-doj-national-... Why are they creating fake emergencies to justify inserting federal police and the national guard in major cities with big Democratic voting populations?
- braebo 1y agoGet your surprised pikachu memes ready for the day martial law is called to permanently postpone the election.
- MiiMe19 1y agoI thought conservatives were the conspiracy theorists. 1. Gerrymandering is and always has been a thing, blue and red. Nothing has changed. 2. Government puts government data from multiple government places into one government place. More news at 11. 3. Because you get stabbed/shot for just existing in them? Because of the riots earlier this year? Fascism = Something I don't like. Get a grip.
- pier25 1y agoWouldn't surprise me if a lot of global users ended up using the US app instead of TikTok.
- 20after4 1y agoWhy would anyone want to use OracleTok?
- pier25 1y agoSame way everyone uses all the other US apps?
- 0xcafecafe 1y agoTikTok is banned in India. OracleTok might not be.. So that's a lot of potential users.
- rs186 1y agoIt's been 5 years since it was blocked, and there has been a lot of competing apps. OracleTok would be no different from a new entry to the market which has little chance to win.
- kelipso 1y agoYou won’t get the option to do it through the app stores, so pretty much no one’s going to do it.
- TMWNN 1y agoMore like the other way around. US users are today 21 of the 49 TikTok accounts with the most followers <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_TikTok_accounts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_TikTok_a...> (not including TikTok itself). When the Trump administration came close to forcing a divestment/shutdown on TikTok in 2020,[1] Americans were 10% of TikTok's user base but 50% of revenue. [1] And boy, do Democrats who shouted Orange Man Bad back then now wish they had supported the move
- basisword 1y agoThis is just the first step (and a big one given TikTok's reach) to a US great firewall.