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While you do have points that these UN bodies do seem to sleep more often than not, one should never, under any circumstance attempt to suggest that what's happ

While you do have points that these UN bodies do seem to sleep more often than not, one should never, under any circumstance attempt to suggest that what's happening in Gaza aren't crimes against humanity. A friend of mine is in the Red Cross staff, they had more than 20 casualties since 2021 in Palestine. Their staff was literally shot at because they were doctors. It's sickening.

dotancohen 1y ago
Which side do you think has an interest in shooting doctors? I'll help you with that. It's not the side that would regularly take Gazan children into Israel for medical treatment before the Gazans started a war against Israeli children. Or do Israeli children mean nothing? Because I personally know two women whose children were burned to death on October 7th.
- epolanski 1y ago
  > Which side do you think has an interest in shooting doctors? The one shooting doctors. What happened on October 7 has been a tragedy. 38 children died that day, and you know two of the mothers. I can't even relate with their suffering, in no way I can understand their pain like you do. But I don't know either any mothers of the 32'000 killed and wounded on the other side. "One day, when it’s safe, when there’s no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it’s too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this."
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    - ViewTrick1002 1y ago
      We should not call a genocide a genocide because you personally have been impacted by the latest trigger of a long conflict? I can never understand your pain but for me this reads like bloodlust coming from revenge. That is a path that will never lead to an end of bloodshed. Given the actions of the Netanyahu government continuously siding with actions prolonging the genocide despite whatever action Hamas takes what do you propose? What do you think of the colonialists/settlers/occupiers on the West Bank stealing Palestinian land and forcing people from their homes?
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        latentcall 1y ago
        I can find you videos of mangled Palestinian children recorded every single day since October 8th 2023. So tell me, does October 7th in your eyes justify a war against civilians? And if you’re about to tell me it isn’t a war against civilians, it should be easily provable by IDF videos of firefights with Hamas on a daily basis since October 8th 2023. However the videos I have seen have targeted civilians and civilian infrastructure.
        epolanski 1y ago
        > One of the first Hamas Gopro videos of October 7th was the shooting of an ambulance Nobody's ever denied that October 7th was a tragedy and that similar things happened. Not even once. Don't get your point besides "if some of us suffered, it's fine to inflict 1000x the suffering on anybody associated, related or even just in proximity of those who caused us the suffering". > It's not reckoning I've never seen a war in which only one side has an army, and the other one loses almost exclusively civilians.
- Sparkle-san 1y ago
  That doesn't seem to check out. This isn't to say that Hamas hasn't killed doctors and there have been several notable incidents of Israel killing healthcare workers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_health_workers_in_the_Gaza_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_health_workers_in_t... https://www.npr.org/2025/04/20/nx-s1-5370617/israeli-probe-killings-15-palestinian-medics-gaza-finds-professional-failures https://www.npr.org/2025/04/20/nx-s1-5370617/israeli-probe-k... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0xp969n69o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0xp969n69o
xyzelement 1y ago
"never under any circumstances attempt to suggest" anything contrary to what you believe is an unreasonable and weak proposition to an argument. You are welcome to believe what you want to believe but plenty of people throughout History believed something as strongly and self righteously as you do and turned out dead wrong. To think you are immune to that and suggest that no voice to the contrary should be allowed is ridiculous.
- const_cast 1y ago
  There are facts and there are lies. The fact that innocent people are purposefully being killed in Gaza is just that - a fact. What you can do is argue that that's okay. What you CAN'T do is argue that that isn't happening. For example, it is a fact that the US slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You can argue it was justified and the lesser of two evil - people do it all the time. What you CAN'T argue is that hundreds of thousands of innocent people werent slaughtered. They were, it just happened. I'm sorry, you just have to live with that and live with whatever resulting beliefs you may have.
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    The nuance is in the word "purposefully". Israel is purposefully targeting Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, and other militants. Nobody else is being purposely targeted. But it's a war, so innocents are getting hurt as well. When the Gazans decide that they no longer like the war then they can return the hostages and the war will be over. If you want to end the war, then pressure Hamas to return the hostages. Don't pressure Israel to bow to terrorist demands.
    - arunabha 1y ago
      > But it's a war, so innocents are getting hurt as well I'm wondering if you'd apply the same standard on the flip side? Per Hamas, they are engaged in a war with Israel, so by your standard they are justified in their rocket attacks killing Israeli civilians who have nothing to do with the war?
tick_tock_tick 1y ago
> under any circumstance attempt to suggest that what's happening in Gaza aren't crimes against humanity I mean I don't think anyone will argue it's good but "crimes against humanity" is certainly a massive exaggeration.
- epolanski 1y ago
  No it's not. Even an increasing number of Israelis call this for what it is: ethnic cleansing and genocide. https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide

dotancohen 1y ago

Which side do you think has an interest in shooting doctors? I'll help you with that. It's not the side that would regularly take Gazan children into Israel for medical treatment before the Gazans started a war against Israeli children. Or do Israeli children mean nothing? Because I personally know two women whose children were burned to death on October 7th.

epolanski 1y ago
> Which side do you think has an interest in shooting doctors? The one shooting doctors. What happened on October 7 has been a tragedy. 38 children died that day, and you know two of the mothers. I can't even relate with their suffering, in no way I can understand their pain like you do. But I don't know either any mothers of the 32'000 killed and wounded on the other side. "One day, when it’s safe, when there’s no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it’s too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this."
- dotancohen 1y ago
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  - ViewTrick1002 1y ago
    We should not call a genocide a genocide because you personally have been impacted by the latest trigger of a long conflict? I can never understand your pain but for me this reads like bloodlust coming from revenge. That is a path that will never lead to an end of bloodshed. Given the actions of the Netanyahu government continuously siding with actions prolonging the genocide despite whatever action Hamas takes what do you propose? What do you think of the colonialists/settlers/occupiers on the West Bank stealing Palestinian land and forcing people from their homes?
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        latentcall 1y ago
        I can find you videos of mangled Palestinian children recorded every single day since October 8th 2023. So tell me, does October 7th in your eyes justify a war against civilians? And if you’re about to tell me it isn’t a war against civilians, it should be easily provable by IDF videos of firefights with Hamas on a daily basis since October 8th 2023. However the videos I have seen have targeted civilians and civilian infrastructure.
        epolanski 1y ago
        > One of the first Hamas Gopro videos of October 7th was the shooting of an ambulance Nobody's ever denied that October 7th was a tragedy and that similar things happened. Not even once. Don't get your point besides "if some of us suffered, it's fine to inflict 1000x the suffering on anybody associated, related or even just in proximity of those who caused us the suffering". > It's not reckoning I've never seen a war in which only one side has an army, and the other one loses almost exclusively civilians.
Sparkle-san 1y ago
That doesn't seem to check out. This isn't to say that Hamas hasn't killed doctors and there have been several notable incidents of Israel killing healthcare workers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_health_workers_in_the_Gaza_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_health_workers_in_t... https://www.npr.org/2025/04/20/nx-s1-5370617/israeli-probe-killings-15-palestinian-medics-gaza-finds-professional-failures https://www.npr.org/2025/04/20/nx-s1-5370617/israeli-probe-k... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0xp969n69o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0xp969n69o

xyzelement 1y ago

"never under any circumstances attempt to suggest" anything contrary to what you believe is an unreasonable and weak proposition to an argument. You are welcome to believe what you want to believe but plenty of people throughout History believed something as strongly and self righteously as you do and turned out dead wrong. To think you are immune to that and suggest that no voice to the contrary should be allowed is ridiculous.

const_cast 1y ago
There are facts and there are lies. The fact that innocent people are purposefully being killed in Gaza is just that - a fact. What you can do is argue that that's okay. What you CAN'T do is argue that that isn't happening. For example, it is a fact that the US slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You can argue it was justified and the lesser of two evil - people do it all the time. What you CAN'T argue is that hundreds of thousands of innocent people werent slaughtered. They were, it just happened. I'm sorry, you just have to live with that and live with whatever resulting beliefs you may have.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  The nuance is in the word "purposefully". Israel is purposefully targeting Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, and other militants. Nobody else is being purposely targeted. But it's a war, so innocents are getting hurt as well. When the Gazans decide that they no longer like the war then they can return the hostages and the war will be over. If you want to end the war, then pressure Hamas to return the hostages. Don't pressure Israel to bow to terrorist demands.
  - arunabha 1y ago
    > But it's a war, so innocents are getting hurt as well I'm wondering if you'd apply the same standard on the flip side? Per Hamas, they are engaged in a war with Israel, so by your standard they are justified in their rocket attacks killing Israeli civilians who have nothing to do with the war?

tick_tock_tick 1y ago

> under any circumstance attempt to suggest that what's happening in Gaza aren't crimes against humanity I mean I don't think anyone will argue it's good but "crimes against humanity" is certainly a massive exaggeration.

epolanski 1y ago
No it's not. Even an increasing number of Israelis call this for what it is: ethnic cleansing and genocide. https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide