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In the US, both parties were supportive in the last election. Not many choices.

actionfromafar 1y ago
One party had a long leash. The other cut the leash and yelled attaboy. Now acting mildly concerned when the neighbour downstreet (Qatar) got their chickens bombed.
- mschuster91 1y ago
  > Now acting mildly concerned when the neighbour downstreet (Qatar) got their chickens bombed. Thing is, what was bombed there was Hamas leadership, not some rank-and-file goons.
  - actionfromafar 1y ago
    Yes, and at this point I'm not arguing for or against that action. I'm saying the current and previous US administration have very different foreign policy.
  - MomsAVoxell 1y ago
    So? Justifying this kind of act, no matter what, opens the doors for such assassinations to occur in any other country in the world. The precedence has been set. Don't moan when your own politicians, branded terrorists by the governments of some foreign nation, also get blasted away.
    - rogerrogerr 1y ago
      Nothing in the real world is held back by “moaning”. Foreign countries mostly don’t assassinate American leaders because we have myriad ways to find out who did it and make life less enjoyable for them. Not because of adherence to some mutual code of conduct. If they thought they could get away with it, they’d be doing it.
      - MomsAVoxell 1y ago
        American Supremacy is a dire fallacy. They do get away with it.
- IncreasePosts 1y ago
  Why shouldn't Hamas leadership be bombed wherever they may be? They're the leaders of a terrorist organization. The US takes out terrorists wherever they may be (or, works with local authorities to get them first). But, when local authorities are siding with the terrorists, we go in there and do it ourselves. October 7th was Israel's 9/11 - we went and got bin Laden in Pakistan, without dealing with the Pakistani government. Why shouldn't Israel do the same thing? I say - kill all the Hamas leadership, and leave the random Palestinian citizens alone.
  - axus 1y ago
    There was only one bin Laden, and we didn't use missiles for that one.
  - kayodelycaon 1y ago
    We have bombed their leadership. This is an entirely different war. Hamas was/is the government of Gaza. They're part of the people there, not outside it. You're trying to fight an organization that is part of the civilian population, not above it or outside of it. And that organization is deliberately using human shields to blur the lines even further. It's not easy to figure out who's a random Palestinian or who's going to fire a rocket into Israel five years from now. If we want to keep bombing our way to victory, that's going to continue down the road of genocide. Humanity needs to be better than this. We need to be better than this.
    - fahhem 1y ago
      I can turn anyone, including you, into "someone who will fire a rocket in 5 years". Give me US backing and I can do it in 4
      - kayodelycaon 1y ago
        Out of curiosity, how would you plan to do that? You know nothing about me.
        1y ago
therobots927 1y ago
I can write in “free Palestine”
- dmbche 1y ago
  And it's gonna get seen by one (1) vote counter who'll then put it away/throw it in the bin
  - therobots927 1y ago
    As long as it doesn’t go to a genocide enabler I could care less where my vote goes
    - dmbche 1y ago
      Oh I just don't vote instead, it just feels performative now
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> both parties were supportive in the last election. Not many choices. Primaries. The truth is that foreign policy rarely flips American elections. Particularly when we don't have our troops on the ground.
- jjk166 1y ago
  Last election the democrats didn't have a primary, and the republicans barely had one. Political change requires more than one day at the polls; it demands large scale sustained effort by many people, including those in positions of prominence, and even with that success takes time and luck. Part of being in a leadership position is taking responsibility for what happens on your watch. The electorate can't be blamed for its leaders not doing their jobs when the their leadership is needed.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Last election the democrats didn't have a primary, and the republicans barely had one Now do down ballot. > electorate can't be blamed for its leaders not doing their jobs when the their leadership is needed Pro-Palestinian voters who swung for Trump explicitly endorsed the war. Even if they thought they were just throwing a tantrum. That includes the war’s repercussions, including the dissolution and incorporation of Palestine. If you care about net effect, the answer is obvious. If how one feels reigns supreme, yes, that voting bloc is excused. (But still irrelevant.)
    - jjk166 1y ago
      > Now do down ballot. As I stated before, changing a political party from the bottom up takes time. While a good endeavor, it doesn't affect who is currently in the drivers seat. Either Harris or Trump were going to be making the decisions about the current Gaza situation regardless of what the electorate did. > Pro-Palestinian voters who swung for Trump explicitly endorsed the war. Pro-palestinian voters didn't swing to trump. Virtually no one swang to Trump; his election results in 2024 were basically the same as in 2020 plus the increase in population of areas that voted for him in 2020. Exit polls indicate that Trump voters were overwhelmingly pro-israel. I'm sure some individuals did, but not enough to make any difference one way or the other. Trump won because 6 million democrats who showed up in 2020 stayed home in 2024. If they had gone out and voted for Harris, and then Harris supported Israel's efforts, as she publicly said she would, you would still be saying they endorsed the war.
8note 1y ago
couldnt you instead, run for government? if its something voters care about, either youll win, or the competing candidates will change their tune
- imglorp 1y ago
  The parties have already decided their position on a variety of issues so if you're going to get nominated for the party you'll be against them on that issue. And the system is designed to exclude independents. The last nationally visible "I" candidate was roughly H Ross Perot. The system made sure that didn't happen again.

One party had a long leash. The other cut the leash and yelled attaboy. Now acting mildly concerned when the neighbour downstreet (Qatar) got their chickens bombed.

mschuster91 1y ago
> Now acting mildly concerned when the neighbour downstreet (Qatar) got their chickens bombed. Thing is, what was bombed there was Hamas leadership, not some rank-and-file goons.
- actionfromafar 1y ago
  Yes, and at this point I'm not arguing for or against that action. I'm saying the current and previous US administration have very different foreign policy.
- MomsAVoxell 1y ago
  So? Justifying this kind of act, no matter what, opens the doors for such assassinations to occur in any other country in the world. The precedence has been set. Don't moan when your own politicians, branded terrorists by the governments of some foreign nation, also get blasted away.
  - rogerrogerr 1y ago
    Nothing in the real world is held back by “moaning”. Foreign countries mostly don’t assassinate American leaders because we have myriad ways to find out who did it and make life less enjoyable for them. Not because of adherence to some mutual code of conduct. If they thought they could get away with it, they’d be doing it.
    - MomsAVoxell 1y ago
      American Supremacy is a dire fallacy. They do get away with it.
IncreasePosts 1y ago
Why shouldn't Hamas leadership be bombed wherever they may be? They're the leaders of a terrorist organization. The US takes out terrorists wherever they may be (or, works with local authorities to get them first). But, when local authorities are siding with the terrorists, we go in there and do it ourselves. October 7th was Israel's 9/11 - we went and got bin Laden in Pakistan, without dealing with the Pakistani government. Why shouldn't Israel do the same thing? I say - kill all the Hamas leadership, and leave the random Palestinian citizens alone.
- axus 1y ago
  There was only one bin Laden, and we didn't use missiles for that one.
- kayodelycaon 1y ago
  We have bombed their leadership. This is an entirely different war. Hamas was/is the government of Gaza. They're part of the people there, not outside it. You're trying to fight an organization that is part of the civilian population, not above it or outside of it. And that organization is deliberately using human shields to blur the lines even further. It's not easy to figure out who's a random Palestinian or who's going to fire a rocket into Israel five years from now. If we want to keep bombing our way to victory, that's going to continue down the road of genocide. Humanity needs to be better than this. We need to be better than this.
  - fahhem 1y ago
    I can turn anyone, including you, into "someone who will fire a rocket in 5 years". Give me US backing and I can do it in 4
    - kayodelycaon 1y ago
      Out of curiosity, how would you plan to do that? You know nothing about me.
      - 1y ago

therobots927 1y ago

I can write in “free Palestine”

dmbche 1y ago
And it's gonna get seen by one (1) vote counter who'll then put it away/throw it in the bin
- therobots927 1y ago
  As long as it doesn’t go to a genocide enabler I could care less where my vote goes
  - dmbche 1y ago
    Oh I just don't vote instead, it just feels performative now

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> both parties were supportive in the last election. Not many choices. Primaries. The truth is that foreign policy rarely flips American elections. Particularly when we don't have our troops on the ground.

jjk166 1y ago
Last election the democrats didn't have a primary, and the republicans barely had one. Political change requires more than one day at the polls; it demands large scale sustained effort by many people, including those in positions of prominence, and even with that success takes time and luck. Part of being in a leadership position is taking responsibility for what happens on your watch. The electorate can't be blamed for its leaders not doing their jobs when the their leadership is needed.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Last election the democrats didn't have a primary, and the republicans barely had one Now do down ballot. > electorate can't be blamed for its leaders not doing their jobs when the their leadership is needed Pro-Palestinian voters who swung for Trump explicitly endorsed the war. Even if they thought they were just throwing a tantrum. That includes the war’s repercussions, including the dissolution and incorporation of Palestine. If you care about net effect, the answer is obvious. If how one feels reigns supreme, yes, that voting bloc is excused. (But still irrelevant.)
  - jjk166 1y ago
    > Now do down ballot. As I stated before, changing a political party from the bottom up takes time. While a good endeavor, it doesn't affect who is currently in the drivers seat. Either Harris or Trump were going to be making the decisions about the current Gaza situation regardless of what the electorate did. > Pro-Palestinian voters who swung for Trump explicitly endorsed the war. Pro-palestinian voters didn't swing to trump. Virtually no one swang to Trump; his election results in 2024 were basically the same as in 2020 plus the increase in population of areas that voted for him in 2020. Exit polls indicate that Trump voters were overwhelmingly pro-israel. I'm sure some individuals did, but not enough to make any difference one way or the other. Trump won because 6 million democrats who showed up in 2020 stayed home in 2024. If they had gone out and voted for Harris, and then Harris supported Israel's efforts, as she publicly said she would, you would still be saying they endorsed the war.

8note 1y ago

couldnt you instead, run for government? if its something voters care about, either youll win, or the competing candidates will change their tune

imglorp 1y ago
The parties have already decided their position on a variety of issues so if you're going to get nominated for the party you'll be against them on that issue. And the system is designed to exclude independents. The last nationally visible "I" candidate was roughly H Ross Perot. The system made sure that didn't happen again.