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Definitely just factory worker outfits. Why would you assume those were Nazi prisoner uniforms?

by Mogzol 1y ago

rafram 1y ago
Because factory workers don't wear uniforms that look like that, ever since they picked up a bad association circa 1945. Google it - you won't find any photos of factory workers dressed like that.
- browningstreet 1y ago
  I think the clip is possibly (and hopefully unintentionally) problematic, but I wouldn't go so far as to say Nazi. If you google "Paddington prison" you'll see a similar striped outfit. So prison labor.. still not awesome, but not necessarily Nazi. And, well, maybe relevant to mass electronic goods manufacturing in certain countries. That said, he works at Midjourney.. so it's a weird blind spot, if it's a blind spot.
  - latexr 1y ago
    > If you google "Paddington prison" you'll see a similar striped outfit. Those are horizontal stripes, not vertical.
    - browningstreet 1y ago
      Yup, hence "similar". Benefit of the doubt.. as the creator is also young.
  - slightwinder 1y ago
    > If you google "Paddington prison" you'll see a similar striped outfit. Horizontal Stripes were common in US-Prisons until the early 20th Century [1]. While vertical Stripes were common in Nazi-Camps. It's a very distinct difference, and I would think the source-material has more data about the horizontal than the vertical stripes. So it's fair to ask which specific prompt they had to get pictures from Nazi-labour-camps. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_system
    - extra88 1y ago
      Horizontal stripes are still a thing in some states. Prisoners on a work gang in Georgia were wearing them in 2017, as seen in this story. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40350048 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40350048
incr_me 1y ago
The vertical strikes are pretty distinct. Either way you can't say "definitely". The AI probably wasn't even prompted in this way; without any specific investigation, and just because I exist in the symbolic world, I would guess that there is proximity between the embeddings for "factory worker" and "camp prisoner". That is the common rhetoric, isn't it?
- Mogzol 1y ago
  Alright that's my bad I was watching in low quality and did not see the stripes, I thought they were just solid white.
latexr 1y ago
https://auschwitz.net/coleccion/prisoner-uniforms/ https://auschwitz.net/coleccion/prisoner-uniforms/
- fakedang 1y ago
  TIL my kiddie pyjamas were modelled after Auschwitz prisoner clothing. /s
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Definitely just factory worker outfits. Why would you assume those were Nazi prisoner uniforms?

by Mogzol 1y ago

Definitely just factory worker outfits. Why would you assume those were Nazi prisoner uniforms?

Because factory workers don't wear uniforms that look like that, ever since they picked up a bad association circa 1945. Google it - you won't find any photos of factory workers dressed like that.

browningstreet 1y ago
I think the clip is possibly (and hopefully unintentionally) problematic, but I wouldn't go so far as to say Nazi. If you google "Paddington prison" you'll see a similar striped outfit. So prison labor.. still not awesome, but not necessarily Nazi. And, well, maybe relevant to mass electronic goods manufacturing in certain countries. That said, he works at Midjourney.. so it's a weird blind spot, if it's a blind spot.
- latexr 1y ago
  > If you google "Paddington prison" you'll see a similar striped outfit. Those are horizontal stripes, not vertical.
  - browningstreet 1y ago
    Yup, hence "similar". Benefit of the doubt.. as the creator is also young.
- slightwinder 1y ago
  > If you google "Paddington prison" you'll see a similar striped outfit. Horizontal Stripes were common in US-Prisons until the early 20th Century [1]. While vertical Stripes were common in Nazi-Camps. It's a very distinct difference, and I would think the source-material has more data about the horizontal than the vertical stripes. So it's fair to ask which specific prompt they had to get pictures from Nazi-labour-camps. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_system
  - extra88 1y ago
    Horizontal stripes are still a thing in some states. Prisoners on a work gang in Georgia were wearing them in 2017, as seen in this story. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40350048 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40350048

incr_me 1y ago

The vertical strikes are pretty distinct. Either way you can't say "definitely". The AI probably wasn't even prompted in this way; without any specific investigation, and just because I exist in the symbolic world, I would guess that there is proximity between the embeddings for "factory worker" and "camp prisoner". That is the common rhetoric, isn't it?

Mogzol 1y ago
Alright that's my bad I was watching in low quality and did not see the stripes, I thought they were just solid white.

latexr 1y ago

https://auschwitz.net/coleccion/prisoner-uniforms/ https://auschwitz.net/coleccion/prisoner-uniforms/

fakedang 1y ago
TIL my kiddie pyjamas were modelled after Auschwitz prisoner clothing. /s

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