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Overvalued by traditional (PE) means. I've ridden in Waymo (50+) and Austin Robotaxis (12). Tesla has Waymo beat in terms of human-like feel, interior features
by LanceJones 1y ago
Overvalued by traditional (PE) means. I've ridden in Waymo (50+) and Austin Robotaxis (12). Tesla has Waymo beat in terms of human-like feel, interior features (sync to your own Spotify, Youtube, etc). When Tesla removes the passenger seat monitor, scaling will happen much faster than Waymo... Tesla just received the initial license for driverless Robotaxi in Nevada. Tesla also produces more Robotaxi-capable Model Ys in ~6 hours as Waymo has cars in service (in total).
- CaliforniaKarl 1y agoWaymo does not have YouTube sync, but they do have Apotify sync.
- bugufu8f83 1y agoTesla's self-driving technology is a joke compared to Waymo's and the Tesla brand is extremely toxic now. I see from your other comments that you're big on Tesla (own several and have a son who works there) but as an unbiased observer I cannot fathom them winning this market.
- LanceJones 1y agoI have 2 AI4 Teslas with FSD, and I don't find V13.2.9 lacking at all in the Vancouver area. V14 will be a 10x increase in parameters, too. Why do you feel it's a "joke"?
- Fricken 1y agoTesla was SAE level 2 in 2013, and they are still SAE level 2. Waymo's Robotaxis are SAE level 4, and they can drive on public roads empty with no human supervision, both technically and legally.
- senordevnyc 1y agoAlso safely.
- minwcnt5 1y agoIt's a "joke" (I wouldn't call it that, but it's a vastly different product) because you have to pay attention to the road at all times. You don't live in a Waymo city, so I understand. A lot of people who don't live in a Waymo city don't really get it. Waymo is a completely different product than FSD. It's a robot that comes and drives you from point A to point B. You can do whatever you want while it's driving, such as take a nap or work on your laptop.
- School-Cotton 1y ago> I have 2 AI4 Teslas with FSD That is false. No Tesla is capable of full self-driving. Mandatory supervision by a human on the driver’s seat is not full self-driving, no matter how much Elon insists on calling it that.
- xnx 1y ago> When Tesla removes the passenger seat monitor This is a huge jump, possibly still 5+ years away.
- LanceJones 1y agoI have friends on the Autopilot team (and a son). Their goal is by end of year. I've been on HN for 15+ years, and seemingly the only downvotes I get are when I post my thoughts and opinions on Tesla.
- terabytest 1y agoFSD is widely considered to be off its originally-stated goal by at least 5 to 6 years.
- Zigurd 1y ago> Their goal is by end of year. Ummm.
- tsimionescu 1y agoTesla FSD has been autonomous by the end of the year for 8+ years now. Don't believe people desperate to make Elon's lies seem plausible.
- xnx 1y agoIt would be great if Tesla figured out how to do safe autonomous driving with their very limited sensor suite, but there's a lot of reason to be skeptical: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono... I wouldn't not be surprised if they figure out some very narrow way to have no safety driver in the car (1:1 remote ops?) by the end of the year.
- fastball 1y agoHow do Elon Musk's predictions relate to Tesla achieving a robotaxi service or not? Ignore his predictions and just... look at whether or not the Tesla FSD team is making progress.
- FireBeyond 1y ago> When Tesla removes the passenger seat monitor They literally moved that monitor to the driver's seat! Progress, indeed.