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> Calling people out is doing more speech, not restricting speech — as we were all constantly reminded when "call-out culture" was the meme. You must be aware

by foldr 1y ago

> Calling people out is doing more speech, not restricting speech — as we were all constantly reminded when "call-out culture" was the meme. You must be aware of JD Vance's stance on "call out culture": https://x.com/JDVance/status/1887900880143343633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1887929693258531316%7Ctwgr%5E9e05b737472e8229d3cc58beff71e8b3e00b0a5c%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fdisgust-jd-vance-eviscerates-democrat-attempting-cancel-doge-employee-lengthy-takedown%2F%3Futm_source%3Dsiteutm_medium%3DMSNutm_campaign%3Dsyndicationutm_content%3D2025-02-11 https://x.com/JDVance/status/1887900880143343633?ref_src=tws... I wonder why he has suddenly changed his mind.

zahlman 1y ago
> You must be aware I don't know why, considering I'm not even American and don't have a Twitter account. But I looked into this since you mentioned it. > I wonder why he has suddenly changed his mind. I don't think that "people should not be fired for previously having expressed bigotry" and "people should be fired for endorsing political violence" are inconsistent. Especially if the bigotry occurred prior to being hired, on a non-work account. Should such a person never work again? Should such a person receive welfare? Is such a person beyond reform? And the same for the political violence advocates, honestly. They should have an opportunity to repent, apologize and return to a normal life.
- foldr 1y ago
  The question isn’t whether people should be fired (that’s up to their employers, within the law) but whether there should be a concerted popular campaign to get people fired who said dumb things on Twitter. That’s the “call out culture” part. I’d thought that JD Vance was opposed to it, but apparently his views have evolved.
- mdhb 1y ago
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  - zahlman 1y ago
    I live in Toronto, Canada and have my entire life, and have been open about this. I am not defending fascism; my entire point is that this is not fascism. I disapprove of Trump as president. More than that, I care about fairness. If there is a bias in who I defend, it is because of a bias in who is attacked, and in whose attacks gain respect and notoriety, and in whose criticisms follow from the evidence. Personal attacks are not, to my understanding, considered acceptable here.

by foldr 1y ago

zahlman 1y ago

> You must be aware I don't know why, considering I'm not even American and don't have a Twitter account. But I looked into this since you mentioned it. > I wonder why he has suddenly changed his mind. I don't think that "people should not be fired for previously having expressed bigotry" and "people should be fired for endorsing political violence" are inconsistent. Especially if the bigotry occurred prior to being hired, on a non-work account. Should such a person never work again? Should such a person receive welfare? Is such a person beyond reform? And the same for the political violence advocates, honestly. They should have an opportunity to repent, apologize and return to a normal life.

foldr 1y ago
The question isn’t whether people should be fired (that’s up to their employers, within the law) but whether there should be a concerted popular campaign to get people fired who said dumb things on Twitter. That’s the “call out culture” part. I’d thought that JD Vance was opposed to it, but apparently his views have evolved.
mdhb 1y ago
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- zahlman 1y ago
  I live in Toronto, Canada and have my entire life, and have been open about this. I am not defending fascism; my entire point is that this is not fascism. I disapprove of Trump as president. More than that, I care about fairness. If there is a bias in who I defend, it is because of a bias in who is attacked, and in whose attacks gain respect and notoriety, and in whose criticisms follow from the evidence. Personal attacks are not, to my understanding, considered acceptable here.