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Press Alt+Space to activate? Nobody activate window menus from keyboard any more?

by nine_k 1y ago

EvanAnderson 1y ago
I do, every day. It's part of my muscle memory to maximize windows.
- xnx 1y ago
  It's a little annoying that this Google app steals the alt+space shortcut, but you can remap it.
saelthavron 1y ago
Many people don't know how to cut and paste via the keyboard. The vast majority aren't even aware of Alt+Space. The only reason I use Alt+Space is to recover windows from off-screen areas.
- gostsamo 1y ago
  I'm blind and alt+space is sometimes the best way to access select/copy/paste on the terminal. some other apps that have terrible a11y experience as well, but usually I use it there to closethe app asap.
  - saelthavron 1y ago
    Is the terminal you're referring to within, outside, or both within and outside a windowing system? How does it work? I'm not able to find an instance where alt+space does anything related to select/copy/paste.
xnx 1y ago
You can also activate by clicking the "G" system tray icon.
omeromr 1y ago
I remapped it to Scroll Lock.
dragonwriter 1y ago
Since the window menu actions that aren’t terrible with keyboard also have their own direct keyboard shortcuts (move and size are the ones that don’t, but hand positioning windows instead of using snap positions is tedious with keyboard), I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a fairly rare thing.
- chrismorgan 1y ago
  I was thinking about Maximise, Restore, and Minimise, which I think were Alt+Space {X,R?,N} (haven’t used Windows for a few years), but I suppose Win+Up is now Maximise, and Win+Down Restore and Minimise—but you still need Alt+Space N to minimise from maximised.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    win+(down)(down) is more convenient than alt+space, N, IMO.
    - chrismorgan 1y ago
      If you type Win+Down,Down quickly, when you bring the window up again, is it maximised?
rhdunn 1y ago
It can be useful to fix window positions when a window gets stuck off-screen: 1. Alt+Space to activate the menu; 2. Down Arrow; Enter to restore the screen (if maximized or minimized); 3. Alt+Space to activate the menu; 4. Down Arrow; Down Arrow; Enter to move the window; 5. Arrow Keys to change the window position.
- TnS-hun 1y ago
  I think pressing the Windows key + arrow keys is simpler.
  - tredre3 1y ago
    Win+arrow does nothing if the window has a fixed size.
- croon 1y ago
  Quicker to just do (assuming the window is active/in foreground): 1. Alt+Space+m 2. Arrow keys to move around
LtWorf 1y ago
I activate trabucco with alt+space. Menus I just use the shortcut of the thing I need to do.
sunaookami 1y ago
It's because ChatGPT uses the same shortcut and Google is afraid to lose even more market share to it so they now use the same shortcut and the search bar is obviously designed after the ChatGPT desktop program.
- ndiddy 1y ago
  I looked up some screenshots of the ChatGPT desktop program, it doesn't look anything like the screenshot in this post unless there's some other search mode that nobody's taken a screenshot of. I think it's more likely that Google copied both the UI look and the shortcut from Apple Spotlight, which you activate with Cmd+Space (Alt+Space on a PC layout keyboard).
  - kridsdale3 1y ago
    The ChatGPT app has two window modes: A full experience that looks like the website, and the "quick input" that looks like this Google Bar, which comes up with aforementioned keyboard shortcut.
    - ndiddy 1y ago
      Thanks, I found a page on their site that goes over this: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9982051-using-the-chatgpt-windows-app#h_56510a64f7 https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9982051-using-the-chatgp... I still think that the Google Windows program looks more like Apple Spotlight than the ChatGPT companion window pictured there though.

Press Alt+Space to activate? Nobody activate window menus from keyboard any more?

by nine_k 1y ago

Press Alt+Space to activate? Nobody activate window menus from keyboard any more?

EvanAnderson 1y ago

I do, every day. It's part of my muscle memory to maximize windows.

xnx 1y ago
It's a little annoying that this Google app steals the alt+space shortcut, but you can remap it.

saelthavron 1y ago

Many people don't know how to cut and paste via the keyboard. The vast majority aren't even aware of Alt+Space. The only reason I use Alt+Space is to recover windows from off-screen areas.

gostsamo 1y ago
I'm blind and alt+space is sometimes the best way to access select/copy/paste on the terminal. some other apps that have terrible a11y experience as well, but usually I use it there to closethe app asap.
- saelthavron 1y ago
  Is the terminal you're referring to within, outside, or both within and outside a windowing system? How does it work? I'm not able to find an instance where alt+space does anything related to select/copy/paste.

xnx 1y ago

You can also activate by clicking the "G" system tray icon.

omeromr 1y ago

I remapped it to Scroll Lock.

dragonwriter 1y ago

Since the window menu actions that aren’t terrible with keyboard also have their own direct keyboard shortcuts (move and size are the ones that don’t, but hand positioning windows instead of using snap positions is tedious with keyboard), I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a fairly rare thing.

chrismorgan 1y ago
I was thinking about Maximise, Restore, and Minimise, which I think were Alt+Space {X,R?,N} (haven’t used Windows for a few years), but I suppose Win+Up is now Maximise, and Win+Down Restore and Minimise—but you still need Alt+Space N to minimise from maximised.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  win+(down)(down) is more convenient than alt+space, N, IMO.
  - chrismorgan 1y ago
    If you type Win+Down,Down quickly, when you bring the window up again, is it maximised?

rhdunn 1y ago

It can be useful to fix window positions when a window gets stuck off-screen: 1. Alt+Space to activate the menu; 2. Down Arrow; Enter to restore the screen (if maximized or minimized); 3. Alt+Space to activate the menu; 4. Down Arrow; Down Arrow; Enter to move the window; 5. Arrow Keys to change the window position.

TnS-hun 1y ago
I think pressing the Windows key + arrow keys is simpler.
- tredre3 1y ago
  Win+arrow does nothing if the window has a fixed size.
croon 1y ago
Quicker to just do (assuming the window is active/in foreground): 1. Alt+Space+m 2. Arrow keys to move around

LtWorf 1y ago

I activate trabucco with alt+space. Menus I just use the shortcut of the thing I need to do.

sunaookami 1y ago

It's because ChatGPT uses the same shortcut and Google is afraid to lose even more market share to it so they now use the same shortcut and the search bar is obviously designed after the ChatGPT desktop program.

ndiddy 1y ago
I looked up some screenshots of the ChatGPT desktop program, it doesn't look anything like the screenshot in this post unless there's some other search mode that nobody's taken a screenshot of. I think it's more likely that Google copied both the UI look and the shortcut from Apple Spotlight, which you activate with Cmd+Space (Alt+Space on a PC layout keyboard).
- kridsdale3 1y ago
  The ChatGPT app has two window modes: A full experience that looks like the website, and the "quick input" that looks like this Google Bar, which comes up with aforementioned keyboard shortcut.
  - ndiddy 1y ago
    Thanks, I found a page on their site that goes over this: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9982051-using-the-chatgpt-windows-app#h_56510a64f7 https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9982051-using-the-chatgp... I still think that the Google Windows program looks more like Apple Spotlight than the ChatGPT companion window pictured there though.