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When will Jaguar Land Rover restart production? "No one knows."

36 points by duxup 1y ago

guardiangod 1y ago
>The company is also asking UK government officials to provide emergency support for its suppliers to get through this period, according to people close to the talks. The support is going to suppliers, who are the true victim, but it's privatize the gain, socialize the cost. JFR screwed up, so they should be the first to step up to assist the suppliers.
- lostlogin 1y ago
  This very much seems like a company circling the drain. The ‘it’s hackers’ line seems convenient. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/16/jaguar-land-rover-production-shutdown-cyber-attack https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/16/jaguar-land...
- duxup 1y ago
  As terrible as the consequences are ... maybe they should be allowed to fail. Other companies take notice and maybe actually take action.
general1465 1y ago
Well M&S got knocked down by amateurism of TCS - https://www.consultancy.uk/news/40295/ms-hackers-may-have-gained-access-via-it-partner-tcs https://www.consultancy.uk/news/40295/ms-hackers-may-have-ga... Guess who was taking care for JLR's IT system? That's right, TCS. https://doublepulsar.com/the-elephant-in-the-biz-outsourcing-of-critical-it-and-cybersecurity-functions-risks-uk-economic-96205e0585bf https://doublepulsar.com/the-elephant-in-the-biz-outsourcing...
- duxup 1y ago
  Long ago I had some contact with Wipro. We sold Wipro equipment and they'd sell it and their services to their customers. Wipro would call up our tech support and declare "it's not working fix it, and you need to explain to our customer why it's not working". Basically they would outsource their own work to our support teams by reporting everything as a technical problem. In truth they just rack mounted equipment and connected cables and did nothing after that. Wipro got real mad when on a few occasions in front of their clueless customers I said "this has never worked and has never been configured to work, can't fix it if it was never right...". After a while they stopped putting me on conference calls. Boy did they try to get me in trouble with my bosses a lot, never worked as I was good at documenting things. Lots of their customers had backup systems that never backed up a thing, for years (if ever) ... but the customers also had nobody employed who would know better. It was a shocking thing to witness. These companies were totally dependent on their outsourcing and they had no idea what was going on. A few of their customers were "critical infrastructure" type companies.
- ivorbuk 1y ago
  Judging by the comments on the exploit, it's down to some sloppy estate management - which is typical TCS, sadly. I know their systems and I can well imagine there's conversation about a greenfield rebuild for the essential manufacturing systems happening or taking place. I can't imagine some of the old processes still being viable after this shocker.
- quickthrowman 1y ago
  I would imagine the pressure to use TCS at Tata Motors (owner of Jaguar Land Rover) is… strong, considering they’re both owned by the same corporate parent company.
- teleforce 1y ago
  TCS vehemently denied that any of their systems were compromised for the attack on M&S [1]. Perhaps they will do the same here but after some highly publicized security incidents sooner or later people will be calling a thorough independent audit of their systems. [1] India's TCS says none of its systems were compromised in M&S hack: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/indias-tcs-says-none-its-systems-were-compromised-ms-hack-2025-06-19/ https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/indias-tcs-sa...
sunshine-o 1y ago
Is there any information available on the systems affected and the challenges they are facing?

36 points by duxup 1y ago

>The company is also asking UK government officials to provide emergency support for its suppliers to get through this period, according to people close to the talks. The support is going to suppliers, who are the true victim, but it's privatize the gain, socialize the cost. JFR screwed up, so they should be the first to step up to assist the suppliers.

lostlogin 1y ago
This very much seems like a company circling the drain. The ‘it’s hackers’ line seems convenient. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/16/jaguar-land-rover-production-shutdown-cyber-attack https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/16/jaguar-land...
duxup 1y ago
As terrible as the consequences are ... maybe they should be allowed to fail. Other companies take notice and maybe actually take action.

general1465 1y ago

Well M&S got knocked down by amateurism of TCS - https://www.consultancy.uk/news/40295/ms-hackers-may-have-gained-access-via-it-partner-tcs https://www.consultancy.uk/news/40295/ms-hackers-may-have-ga... Guess who was taking care for JLR's IT system? That's right, TCS. https://doublepulsar.com/the-elephant-in-the-biz-outsourcing-of-critical-it-and-cybersecurity-functions-risks-uk-economic-96205e0585bf https://doublepulsar.com/the-elephant-in-the-biz-outsourcing...

duxup 1y ago
Long ago I had some contact with Wipro. We sold Wipro equipment and they'd sell it and their services to their customers. Wipro would call up our tech support and declare "it's not working fix it, and you need to explain to our customer why it's not working". Basically they would outsource their own work to our support teams by reporting everything as a technical problem. In truth they just rack mounted equipment and connected cables and did nothing after that. Wipro got real mad when on a few occasions in front of their clueless customers I said "this has never worked and has never been configured to work, can't fix it if it was never right...". After a while they stopped putting me on conference calls. Boy did they try to get me in trouble with my bosses a lot, never worked as I was good at documenting things. Lots of their customers had backup systems that never backed up a thing, for years (if ever) ... but the customers also had nobody employed who would know better. It was a shocking thing to witness. These companies were totally dependent on their outsourcing and they had no idea what was going on. A few of their customers were "critical infrastructure" type companies.
ivorbuk 1y ago
Judging by the comments on the exploit, it's down to some sloppy estate management - which is typical TCS, sadly. I know their systems and I can well imagine there's conversation about a greenfield rebuild for the essential manufacturing systems happening or taking place. I can't imagine some of the old processes still being viable after this shocker.
quickthrowman 1y ago
I would imagine the pressure to use TCS at Tata Motors (owner of Jaguar Land Rover) is… strong, considering they’re both owned by the same corporate parent company.
teleforce 1y ago
TCS vehemently denied that any of their systems were compromised for the attack on M&S [1]. Perhaps they will do the same here but after some highly publicized security incidents sooner or later people will be calling a thorough independent audit of their systems. [1] India's TCS says none of its systems were compromised in M&S hack: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/indias-tcs-says-none-its-systems-were-compromised-ms-hack-2025-06-19/ https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/indias-tcs-sa...

sunshine-o 1y ago

Is there any information available on the systems affected and the challenges they are facing?