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I can't think of any situation where "let's" does not mean "let us"?
by efdee 1y ago
I can't think of any situation where "let's" does not mean "let us"?
- tommica 1y ago"Let's go!"
- lionkor 1y agoLiterally "let us go", there's no way around the literal meaning
- RiverCrochet 1y agoLet literally means "allow." In many cases where this is said, the person saying it isn't blocking/preventing/gatewaying anyone from going. So the literal meaning of "allow" is not intended.
- esafak 1y ago"Let's go" never means "let us go". Just try to articulate it as such! I can't.
- toast0 1y agoShall we go? Let us go / Let's go / Let's If you don't want to use the full form, it shan't stop me.
- esafak 1y agoI don't know if I'm being clear. Say you and your family were imprisoned. You would never demand to be released by saying "let's go!". Your bemused family might well ask "Where, to the other corner of the cell?"
- efdee 1y agoYou can't always replace "let us" with "let's", but you can always replace "let's" with "let us".
- simonask 1y agoYou truly cannot. Somebody else brought up the example of “let’s go!” versus “let us go” - not the same thing by a long shot. “Let’s” in English has a distinct meaning from “let us”, and that is to politely and casually (but firmly) suggest a course of action. I remember touring a Polish salt mine a couple of years ago. The guide was very good, but her English had a few quirks, among them that she seemed to like the phrase “let’s let me to show you …”. It’s wrong, but you can immediately understand that she meant “please let me show you”.
- ninkendo 1y agoEnglish contractions are weird in general in that it doesn't always "work" to contract two words. Tom Scott does a good video about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZyZFa5qO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZyZFa5qO0 (Example, "Is this a good idea? Yes, it's!" sounds wrong. But "it's" still means "it is". It would just sound weird to use a contraction in that context.)
- efdee 1y ago"Let us go" does not only mean "you should let us go" but it is also the first person plural imperative implying that we go. Whether you shorten it to "let's go" or not does not change this. Same as how "let us pray" is frequently used as well.
- esafak 1y agoAbbreviation does change it; it narrows the meaning. "Let's go" never means "you should let us go" and "let's pray" never means "you should let us pray". @ninkendo shared an insightful video below about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitic
- efdee 1y agoNowhere does anyone claim that "let's go" means "you should let us go". The discussion was whether "let us go" automatically means "you should let us go", which it does not.
- ninkendo 1y agoWords have more than one meaning. Let also means "to cause to" as in "let me know", or can be "used in the imperative to introduce a request or proposal", as in "let us pray". (Or "let there be light.") https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/let https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/let The definition you're referring to matches definition 2a, "to give opportunity to or fail to prevent", or definition 4: "to permit to enter, pass, or leave". "Let's go" absolutely means "let us go". There's no way around it. It's just not the version of "let" that you may be used to, but that doesn't change anything.
- efdee 1y agoLet literally means a lot of things, one of them being "allow us to". But that is only one of many of its literal meanings.
- danaris 1y agoYou and simonask are speaking at different levels of literality. Yes, literally, "let's" expands to "let us". But idiomatically, "let's/let us <do this thing>" does not mean "allow us to <do this thing>"; it means "I am requesting that we now <do this thing> together". Now, I'm not entirely sure why simonask felt this level of literality was a useful one to bring up here, but it is true.
- efdee 1y agoTrue, but the point was not that they were asking permission, it's the "let us do this together" meaning to which the OP takes offense. He feels like it implies he cannot do it on his own.