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Sorry, but you're wrong about the safety of renewables. The statistic you're looking for is called deaths per terawatt-hour. Nuclear wins by an order of magnitu

Sorry, but you're wrong about the safety of renewables. The statistic you're looking for is called deaths per terawatt-hour. Nuclear wins by an order of magnitude: http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/lowering-deaths-per-terawatt-hour-for.html http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/lowering-deaths-per-terawat... For the same amount of energy, renewables kill more people than nuclear. People fall off their roofs installing solar panels. Hydroelectric dams burst. Even windmills kill people. For the next few decades, fossil fuels are the only alternative to nuclear power. Wind and solar aren't baseload sources. Hydro is, but we've already put dams in most of the economically and environmentally feasible locations.

lispm 14y ago
Here in Germany we are now at 25% renewable energy for electricity. Without much hydro. Expect to see something close to 40% in 2020. There are lots of environmental impacts of renewable energy, but generally the acceptance is higher than for nuclear or coal.
- robk 14y ago
  At an extraordinarily high cost to the taxpayer. Well above what any rational body would have/should have paid for getting to this level.
  - danielharan 14y ago
    So someone proves an argument unsound, and you just say they're crazy? Nice.
  - lispm 14y ago
    The taxpayer is paying nothing.
- AngryParsley 14y ago
  Yes, 25% of electricity produced in Germany comes from renewables. But Germany imports 2/3rds of its energy, so less than 10% of domestic consumption is from renewables. Here's a tangentially-related fact: France is the world's largest energy exporter. 75% of their production comes from nuclear. Germany is still dependent on nuclear power, they just passed the buck.
  - lispm 14y ago
    Germany has an export surplus (!) of 10TWh electricity in the first half of 2012. We are among the world's largest exporters of electricity.
danielharan 14y ago
Yes, an order of magnitude if you only count rooftop solar. NOT if you count wind. Maybe for efficiency, people replacing lightbulbs and motors are at risk of death. Yet for both wind and solar, this reflects all known risk, while for nuclear we still have to deal with catastrophic risks as well as storage of spent fuel. As to the only alternative to nuclear being fossil fuels, someone should tell it to countries investing in solar power (especially concentrated) or wind. Germany and China come to mind.

lispm 14y ago

Here in Germany we are now at 25% renewable energy for electricity. Without much hydro. Expect to see something close to 40% in 2020. There are lots of environmental impacts of renewable energy, but generally the acceptance is higher than for nuclear or coal.

robk 14y ago
At an extraordinarily high cost to the taxpayer. Well above what any rational body would have/should have paid for getting to this level.
- danielharan 14y ago
  So someone proves an argument unsound, and you just say they're crazy? Nice.
- lispm 14y ago
  The taxpayer is paying nothing.
AngryParsley 14y ago
Yes, 25% of electricity produced in Germany comes from renewables. But Germany imports 2/3rds of its energy, so less than 10% of domestic consumption is from renewables. Here's a tangentially-related fact: France is the world's largest energy exporter. 75% of their production comes from nuclear. Germany is still dependent on nuclear power, they just passed the buck.
- lispm 14y ago
  Germany has an export surplus (!) of 10TWh electricity in the first half of 2012. We are among the world's largest exporters of electricity.

danielharan 14y ago

Yes, an order of magnitude if you only count rooftop solar. NOT if you count wind. Maybe for efficiency, people replacing lightbulbs and motors are at risk of death. Yet for both wind and solar, this reflects all known risk, while for nuclear we still have to deal with catastrophic risks as well as storage of spent fuel. As to the only alternative to nuclear being fossil fuels, someone should tell it to countries investing in solar power (especially concentrated) or wind. Germany and China come to mind.