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That's strange, because in my time using Fedora it was far and away the most vertically integrated Linux distro I've ever used. It had the fewest Linux-typical

That's strange, because in my time using Fedora it was far and away the most vertically integrated Linux distro I've ever used. It had the fewest Linux-typical papercuts, it was well-documented, and most importantly required the least amount of system tinkering I've ever done on Linux, allowing me to use my operating system to actually operate my system. It wasn't as turnkey as macOS, wasn't as compatible as Windows, and wasn't as "tinker" friendly as other distros, but it _worked_. Then again, I was using the default GNOME spin, and I also try to meet OS's in the middle instead of brazenly insisting on my way or the highway. But it _is_ used as a base for RHEL, so it's not like Fedora is a typical stone soup distro either.

samtheDamned 1y ago
This is my experience too, I distrohopped for about 2-3 years, and then when I found fedora it just clicked. I've been using it exclusively ever since. It was my first experience with vanilla GNOME and like you I wanted to meet the OS in the middle. The stability while still having reasonably up-to-date packages is so pleasant and everything felt like it was part of a whole in a way that my prior experimentation with arch and its derivatives and the different ubuntu skins didn't fully achive.
- dabockster 1y ago
  I "tolerated" GNOME after the GNOME 3 release, and used MATE for years before stuff started breaking on it. But KDE 6 has a nice vibe of something between Windows and Mac OS. Still really rough in a lot of spots, but you should definitely try it!
dabockster 1y ago
You're correct in thinking of Fedora that way - that's my take on it too. But Windows has a lot of glue and infrastructure that we all take for granted that Linux hasn't really implemented yet. Like how calling a Win32 function, in some cases, integrates functionality found in both the Windows desktop as well as backend processes - stuff that would be several lines/files long in Linux, and would likely need conditional logic for GNOME and KDE/Qt desktops. Or something that's provided by a page in a Windows Control Panel applet that you'd need to download someone's hobby app to do on Linux (emphasis on hobby app - definitely not "Enterprise" grade). You're correct in thinking of Fedora that way - that's my take on it too. But Windows has a lot of glue and infrastructure that we all take for granted that Linux hasn't really implemented yet. Like how calling a Win32 function, in some cases, integrates functionality found in both the Windows desktop as well as backend processes - stuff that would be several lines/files long in Linux, and would likely need conditional logic for GNOME and KDE/Qt desktops. Even Fedora, which is really rock solid and more "neutral" compared to other distros (lookin' at you, Ubuntu Snap Store), there's a LOT that gets left to either terminal commands or config files when compared to Windows. And even as a dev, I don't want to have to RTFM literally every time I want to change a single setting. Windows solved this 30+ years ago, and it's honestly stupid that the Linux community/field can't even seemingly comprehend this in almost 2026 now.

samtheDamned 1y ago

This is my experience too, I distrohopped for about 2-3 years, and then when I found fedora it just clicked. I've been using it exclusively ever since. It was my first experience with vanilla GNOME and like you I wanted to meet the OS in the middle. The stability while still having reasonably up-to-date packages is so pleasant and everything felt like it was part of a whole in a way that my prior experimentation with arch and its derivatives and the different ubuntu skins didn't fully achive.

dabockster 1y ago
I "tolerated" GNOME after the GNOME 3 release, and used MATE for years before stuff started breaking on it. But KDE 6 has a nice vibe of something between Windows and Mac OS. Still really rough in a lot of spots, but you should definitely try it!

dabockster 1y ago

You're correct in thinking of Fedora that way - that's my take on it too. But Windows has a lot of glue and infrastructure that we all take for granted that Linux hasn't really implemented yet. Like how calling a Win32 function, in some cases, integrates functionality found in both the Windows desktop as well as backend processes - stuff that would be several lines/files long in Linux, and would likely need conditional logic for GNOME and KDE/Qt desktops. Or something that's provided by a page in a Windows Control Panel applet that you'd need to download someone's hobby app to do on Linux (emphasis on hobby app - definitely not "Enterprise" grade). You're correct in thinking of Fedora that way - that's my take on it too. But Windows has a lot of glue and infrastructure that we all take for granted that Linux hasn't really implemented yet. Like how calling a Win32 function, in some cases, integrates functionality found in both the Windows desktop as well as backend processes - stuff that would be several lines/files long in Linux, and would likely need conditional logic for GNOME and KDE/Qt desktops. Even Fedora, which is really rock solid and more "neutral" compared to other distros (lookin' at you, Ubuntu Snap Store), there's a LOT that gets left to either terminal commands or config files when compared to Windows. And even as a dev, I don't want to have to RTFM literally every time I want to change a single setting. Windows solved this 30+ years ago, and it's honestly stupid that the Linux community/field can't even seemingly comprehend this in almost 2026 now.