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Make sure they have at least a passing familiarity with Windows and it's apps because like it or not Windows is still the default in the school and working worl

by rtkwe 1y ago

Make sure they have at least a passing familiarity with Windows and it's apps because like it or not Windows is still the default in the school and working world so they'll have to work with that stuff to some degree. Otherwise go for it. Side note how's open office compatibility these days? Last time I tried it yeeears ago there were still compatibility problems that would have made group projects hard.

Gud 1y ago
As a long term *nix user(FreeBSD and Linux) forced to use Windows for work, I observe that every few years Windows is completely changed. It’s a total hodgepodge of decades of crap. That’s the only thing you need to know.
freedomben 1y ago
Purely anecdata, but my kids only use Linux at home and hadn't used anything else until they got (Windows and ChromeOS) computers at school, and they were able to get going quite easily. Honestly I think learning to use a mouse and keyboard is the hardest part since most of these kids grew up using tablets and phones as their first "computers." Office compatibility still kind of sucks. It's very usable, but still quite a few papercuts. In my kids case though, Google Docs pretty much solves that problem so it's largely been a non-issue.
nobody9999 1y ago
>Side note how's open office compatibility these days? Last time I tried it yeeears ago there were still compatibility problems that would have made group projects hard. While Open Office still exists (and is being actively supported), LibreOffice (forked from OpenOffice fifteen years ago) gets more frequent updates, is more broadly used, and is widely preferred over OpenOffice these days. I use it and it's a nice replacement for the Microsoft Office suite. In fact, I have Microsoft Office and prefer LibreOffice over it. I suggest giving LibreOffice[0] a look. Many of the compatibility issues have been resolved and it works nicely. [0] https://www.libreoffice.org/ https://www.libreoffice.org/
- cmcaleer 1y ago
  > Open Office still exists (and is being actively supported) Actively supported is a stretch. Look at these commits. https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commits/trunk/ https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commits/trunk/
- ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
  LibreOffice is definitely a better choice than OpenOffice. For using Teams, I'd recommend just using the web client. I did try installing the Microsoft native client for Linux, but all it seemed to do was open an empty window (i.e. not drawn in, so it showed what was under where it appeared) and wasn't at all functional. The web client seems to work, though I don't use it very often.
- rtkwe 1y ago
  Yeah, academically I know that but OpenOffice was king back when I needed it so I forget and default to calling it by the old prefork name. Since then I've mostly been at a job where Office is provided and rarely have need of it at home.
ranger207 1y ago
When I was in college a few years ago everyone did group projects in Google Docs, so Libreoffice compatibility was a moot point
happymellon 1y ago
> Make sure they have at least a passing familiarity with Windows and it's apps because like it or not Windows is still the default in the school and working world so they'll have to work with that stuff to some degree Don't bother. I would have said that I was "familiar with Windows", I used 3.11, NT 4.0, XP, Vista, and 10 to a lesser extent and my wife needed help with her work laptop. Honestly Windows 11 is significantly different and apparently hostile enough that I couldn't find anything.

by rtkwe 1y ago

Gud 1y ago

As a long term *nix user(FreeBSD and Linux) forced to use Windows for work, I observe that every few years Windows is completely changed. It’s a total hodgepodge of decades of crap. That’s the only thing you need to know.

freedomben 1y ago

Purely anecdata, but my kids only use Linux at home and hadn't used anything else until they got (Windows and ChromeOS) computers at school, and they were able to get going quite easily. Honestly I think learning to use a mouse and keyboard is the hardest part since most of these kids grew up using tablets and phones as their first "computers." Office compatibility still kind of sucks. It's very usable, but still quite a few papercuts. In my kids case though, Google Docs pretty much solves that problem so it's largely been a non-issue.

nobody9999 1y ago

>Side note how's open office compatibility these days? Last time I tried it yeeears ago there were still compatibility problems that would have made group projects hard. While Open Office still exists (and is being actively supported), LibreOffice (forked from OpenOffice fifteen years ago) gets more frequent updates, is more broadly used, and is widely preferred over OpenOffice these days. I use it and it's a nice replacement for the Microsoft Office suite. In fact, I have Microsoft Office and prefer LibreOffice over it. I suggest giving LibreOffice[0] a look. Many of the compatibility issues have been resolved and it works nicely. [0] https://www.libreoffice.org/ https://www.libreoffice.org/

cmcaleer 1y ago
> Open Office still exists (and is being actively supported) Actively supported is a stretch. Look at these commits. https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commits/trunk/ https://github.com/apache/openoffice/commits/trunk/
ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
LibreOffice is definitely a better choice than OpenOffice. For using Teams, I'd recommend just using the web client. I did try installing the Microsoft native client for Linux, but all it seemed to do was open an empty window (i.e. not drawn in, so it showed what was under where it appeared) and wasn't at all functional. The web client seems to work, though I don't use it very often.
rtkwe 1y ago
Yeah, academically I know that but OpenOffice was king back when I needed it so I forget and default to calling it by the old prefork name. Since then I've mostly been at a job where Office is provided and rarely have need of it at home.

ranger207 1y ago

When I was in college a few years ago everyone did group projects in Google Docs, so Libreoffice compatibility was a moot point

happymellon 1y ago

> Make sure they have at least a passing familiarity with Windows and it's apps because like it or not Windows is still the default in the school and working world so they'll have to work with that stuff to some degree Don't bother. I would have said that I was "familiar with Windows", I used 3.11, NT 4.0, XP, Vista, and 10 to a lesser extent and my wife needed help with her work laptop. Honestly Windows 11 is significantly different and apparently hostile enough that I couldn't find anything.