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I hear constantly how in-demand this shit supposedly is and then every time I look around a corner LLMs are being stuffed into every damn thing and I'm left won

I hear constantly how in-demand this shit supposedly is and then every time I look around a corner LLMs are being stuffed into every damn thing and I'm left wondering how much of this alleged "engagement" is just because LLMs are in fucking everything now and it's impossible to run a lot of mainstream software without a few calls going to one or another of them. I have never, ever, in my entire life, seen a tech work so hard to be everywhere while simultaneously not being very useful.

flerchin 1y ago
lol you must be new here. To me this rhymes with web3 (kodak coin), web2 (google circle), and also web1 (pets.com). There will be a lot of failures, but the companies that get established in the space will be eeconomic goliaths.
- nemomarx 1y ago
  what are the goliaths from web3? I feel like that one still hasn't really worked out, and I do occasionally use Bitcoin to buy things
  - ToucanLoucan 1y ago
    I really enjoyed that comment because if you read it in reverse, each subsequent "big thing" has had fewer and fewer goliaths emerge. In terms of web3, I think you could broadly say Bitcoin (though it was large before web3 so that one's muddy) and Etherium. But even then... given what they are, I'm not sure in what sense these are meant to be Goliaths...? It's alternative payment processors that have incredibly low adoption compared to virtually every other. They're "big" in the sense that they have a lot of traction relative to other crypto, but I still have never used the shit even once and I do not feel I am missing out even slightly. I've used LLMs FAR more than any crypto, and I still see it largely as a neat way to get out of writing boring code, and a good rubber duck to bounce ideas off of when debugging. I wouldn't pay for it if I had to. The only thing I know crypto for is being the new and preferred payment method for scammers, and that you used to be able to buy drugs with it but not anymore. And godawful avatar collections, I guess. I wouldn't call that a Goliath myself but. shrug
  - flerchin 1y ago
    Yeah that's fair. Many people will just never interact with cryptocurrency and all that at all. I don't. Supposedly BTC is worth $2.2T, which is somewhat of a large number, but it's all funny money from a certain point of view.
    - tehjoker 1y ago
      It's very funny to hear this because a few years ago the concept was "everyone will be using this" and that hype was supporting the price
      - flerchin 1y ago
        The concept now seems to be that it's a volatile asset class? I don't really get what supports the price anymore.
  - ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
    >what are the goliaths from web3? Are you not paying attention? Web3 is going just great![0] [0] https://www.web3isgoinggreat.com/ https://www.web3isgoinggreat.com/
- ludicrousdispla 1y ago
  You forgot about VR headsets.
  - rchaud 1y ago
    VR has its gaming niche and thankfully doesn't insist on itself. Apple abandoned it fast and Zuckerberg eventually stopped embarrassing himself by trying to make Metaverse a crypto-powered Epstein island.
ryandrake 1y ago
Nothing says "this product is useful and people want it" quite like having to force it onto users' computers.
- chankstein38 1y ago
  And having people complain when you do it lol if they were forcing a new hip version of minesweeper no one would care. But since it's AI garbage being forced on us, we're all mad.
  - ToucanLoucan 1y ago
    I mean, the vast majority of the time, I don't care. The one that actually did make me mad was Apple Messages getting pre-generated replies on every Messages window when you click into the field, which a) I don't want, and b), and this is the irritating part: the little popup thing that shows them so you can click them obstructs the Enter key from sending whatever you have typed. So you constantly have to either hit Escape to dismiss it, or click it away, before you can send what you actually want to send. It's remarkably fucking annoying and is genuinely one of the worst UX decisions Apple has made in like a decade.
    - chankstein38 1y ago
      Wow, that sounds awful! The one that keeps bothering me is the Google AI Mode popup. Every time I google anything.
  - keyringlight 1y ago
    There's historical examples too, years ago people were pissed when Apple and U2 force downloaded their newly released album onto everyone's iPhone/Pod, and there's also the reverse where some highly anticipated game release will have servers overwhelmed by demand. It's hard to see any organic desire for AI in the general public, a new model releasing doesn't cause a wave of interest.
  - rchaud 1y ago
    Minesweeper, Solitaire and 3D Space Pinball are remembered fondly because they were entertaining and stayed out of the way. Copilot is the opposite of that. I don't need to see a Copilot prompt to "clean up my data" when I open an Excel file.
estimator7292 1y ago
I saw someone on here the other day honestly insisting that people just don't know what they want and need to be shown the new options. No product in our entire history has been so aggressively pushed into everyone's face. If there's a person alive in modern society who hasn't had 4000 AI apps blasted at them... where are they and how do I achieve this nirvana?
- ToucanLoucan 1y ago
  I really get sick of the comparisons to the iPhone and AWS and such. Those things solved problems. Nobody needed to be convinced an iPhone was a good idea; it was an iPod, a PDA, and a newspaper stuffed into a device the size of a credit card that you carried around with you and worked no matter where you were. That's a GREAT idea. No one needed to be convinced about what made an iPhone (or Android, or even Blackberry) a useful and good thing. Conversely, AWS made starting web businesses no longer require on premises servers, or really knowing anything about servers. You picked what you needed, and if you needed more at some point, you picked that. You could even dynamically allocate and deallocate servers on an incredibly widely available and robust data-center backend. That's HUGE. Numerous massive companies today may not have ever gotten started if not for AWS and it's now making far more money than Amazon's retail business does, and we know how huge it is because East-1 went down some years back, and a third of the freaking Internet stopped working correctly. What problem even remotely on this level does an LLM solve?
  - pqtyw 1y ago
    > Nobody needed to be convinced an iPhone was a good idea It still took a couple of years, though. Of course in hindsight its rather obvious. But there were other smartphones and they were (on paper at least) superior in quite a few ways.
    - ToucanLoucan 1y ago
      > It still took a couple of years, though. I mean was that because of the iPhone as a concept or because it debuted as an exclusive on the worst cell carrier in the United States lol
isk517 1y ago
Just constantly repeat 'in-demand' until the dumbest executive at every major company is forcing some LLM product into every part of the operation in order to 'remain competitive'. I've seen first hand how useful AR can be for actually real world work by enhancing a flesh and blood human being's ability to do their job and the best device on the market is still the 6 year old Hololens 2. Microsoft just completely abandoned it in favor of something that most of the time says you the trouble of having to type something into a search bar.
dawnerd 1y ago
And how are these companies measuring engagement? If they make it easy to accidentally click one of their "AI" buttons, does that count? Like in Clickup they put AI features on basically every single view they could and its incredibly easy to click one of them as their UI slowly loads from all the other third party junk they've added in. It should be a huge red flag if companies have to force stuff on users.
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flerchin 1y ago

lol you must be new here. To me this rhymes with web3 (kodak coin), web2 (google circle), and also web1 (pets.com). There will be a lot of failures, but the companies that get established in the space will be eeconomic goliaths.

nemomarx 1y ago
what are the goliaths from web3? I feel like that one still hasn't really worked out, and I do occasionally use Bitcoin to buy things
- ToucanLoucan 1y ago
  I really enjoyed that comment because if you read it in reverse, each subsequent "big thing" has had fewer and fewer goliaths emerge. In terms of web3, I think you could broadly say Bitcoin (though it was large before web3 so that one's muddy) and Etherium. But even then... given what they are, I'm not sure in what sense these are meant to be Goliaths...? It's alternative payment processors that have incredibly low adoption compared to virtually every other. They're "big" in the sense that they have a lot of traction relative to other crypto, but I still have never used the shit even once and I do not feel I am missing out even slightly. I've used LLMs FAR more than any crypto, and I still see it largely as a neat way to get out of writing boring code, and a good rubber duck to bounce ideas off of when debugging. I wouldn't pay for it if I had to. The only thing I know crypto for is being the new and preferred payment method for scammers, and that you used to be able to buy drugs with it but not anymore. And godawful avatar collections, I guess. I wouldn't call that a Goliath myself but. shrug
- flerchin 1y ago
  Yeah that's fair. Many people will just never interact with cryptocurrency and all that at all. I don't. Supposedly BTC is worth $2.2T, which is somewhat of a large number, but it's all funny money from a certain point of view.
  - tehjoker 1y ago
    It's very funny to hear this because a few years ago the concept was "everyone will be using this" and that hype was supporting the price
    - flerchin 1y ago
      The concept now seems to be that it's a volatile asset class? I don't really get what supports the price anymore.
- ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
  >what are the goliaths from web3? Are you not paying attention? Web3 is going just great![0] [0] https://www.web3isgoinggreat.com/ https://www.web3isgoinggreat.com/
ludicrousdispla 1y ago
You forgot about VR headsets.
- rchaud 1y ago
  VR has its gaming niche and thankfully doesn't insist on itself. Apple abandoned it fast and Zuckerberg eventually stopped embarrassing himself by trying to make Metaverse a crypto-powered Epstein island.

ryandrake 1y ago

Nothing says "this product is useful and people want it" quite like having to force it onto users' computers.

chankstein38 1y ago
And having people complain when you do it lol if they were forcing a new hip version of minesweeper no one would care. But since it's AI garbage being forced on us, we're all mad.
- ToucanLoucan 1y ago
  I mean, the vast majority of the time, I don't care. The one that actually did make me mad was Apple Messages getting pre-generated replies on every Messages window when you click into the field, which a) I don't want, and b), and this is the irritating part: the little popup thing that shows them so you can click them obstructs the Enter key from sending whatever you have typed. So you constantly have to either hit Escape to dismiss it, or click it away, before you can send what you actually want to send. It's remarkably fucking annoying and is genuinely one of the worst UX decisions Apple has made in like a decade.
  - chankstein38 1y ago
    Wow, that sounds awful! The one that keeps bothering me is the Google AI Mode popup. Every time I google anything.
- keyringlight 1y ago
  There's historical examples too, years ago people were pissed when Apple and U2 force downloaded their newly released album onto everyone's iPhone/Pod, and there's also the reverse where some highly anticipated game release will have servers overwhelmed by demand. It's hard to see any organic desire for AI in the general public, a new model releasing doesn't cause a wave of interest.
- rchaud 1y ago
  Minesweeper, Solitaire and 3D Space Pinball are remembered fondly because they were entertaining and stayed out of the way. Copilot is the opposite of that. I don't need to see a Copilot prompt to "clean up my data" when I open an Excel file.

estimator7292 1y ago

I saw someone on here the other day honestly insisting that people just don't know what they want and need to be shown the new options. No product in our entire history has been so aggressively pushed into everyone's face. If there's a person alive in modern society who hasn't had 4000 AI apps blasted at them... where are they and how do I achieve this nirvana?

ToucanLoucan 1y ago
I really get sick of the comparisons to the iPhone and AWS and such. Those things solved problems. Nobody needed to be convinced an iPhone was a good idea; it was an iPod, a PDA, and a newspaper stuffed into a device the size of a credit card that you carried around with you and worked no matter where you were. That's a GREAT idea. No one needed to be convinced about what made an iPhone (or Android, or even Blackberry) a useful and good thing. Conversely, AWS made starting web businesses no longer require on premises servers, or really knowing anything about servers. You picked what you needed, and if you needed more at some point, you picked that. You could even dynamically allocate and deallocate servers on an incredibly widely available and robust data-center backend. That's HUGE. Numerous massive companies today may not have ever gotten started if not for AWS and it's now making far more money than Amazon's retail business does, and we know how huge it is because East-1 went down some years back, and a third of the freaking Internet stopped working correctly. What problem even remotely on this level does an LLM solve?
- pqtyw 1y ago
  > Nobody needed to be convinced an iPhone was a good idea It still took a couple of years, though. Of course in hindsight its rather obvious. But there were other smartphones and they were (on paper at least) superior in quite a few ways.
  - ToucanLoucan 1y ago
    > It still took a couple of years, though. I mean was that because of the iPhone as a concept or because it debuted as an exclusive on the worst cell carrier in the United States lol

isk517 1y ago

Just constantly repeat 'in-demand' until the dumbest executive at every major company is forcing some LLM product into every part of the operation in order to 'remain competitive'. I've seen first hand how useful AR can be for actually real world work by enhancing a flesh and blood human being's ability to do their job and the best device on the market is still the 6 year old Hololens 2. Microsoft just completely abandoned it in favor of something that most of the time says you the trouble of having to type something into a search bar.

dawnerd 1y ago

And how are these companies measuring engagement? If they make it easy to accidentally click one of their "AI" buttons, does that count? Like in Clickup they put AI features on basically every single view they could and its incredibly easy to click one of them as their UI slowly loads from all the other third party junk they've added in. It should be a huge red flag if companies have to force stuff on users.

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