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>Diesel generators come with maintenance overhead that adds up year over year. A good diesel generator is going to need very little maintenance operating few h

>Diesel generators come with maintenance overhead that adds up year over year. A good diesel generator is going to need very little maintenance operating few hundred hours per year. Why do people talk about engines like they are unreliable? They are modern marvels.

toomuchtodo 1y ago
I just replaced a residential condo building's fossil gas generator (Kohler 48RCLC), at a cost of ~$24k, because the association didn't perform the required maintenance on it. Yes, fossil generators can be reliable if you do the maintenance and you monitor to ensure they are doing a test run weekly/monthly under load. Lots of people don't. My Powerwall quietly sits there charged and waiting to be under load, and charges to full when storm mode is activated (or I activate it manually). It has a 10 year warranty, 15 years if part of a virtual power plant (which my storage participates in with the local utility). It requires no maintenance. I also received a 30% federal tax credit for the Powerwall, which the building will not receive for a generator.
- westmeal 1y ago
  Diesel is not the same as a gas generator. There are a lot of things to go wrong with gas engines tbh. Diesel on the other hand will mostly run without too much fuss so long as there is compression and there is fuel.
  - toomuchtodo 1y ago
    Diesel lasts longer, but you should also be polishing the diesel fuel to keep it in good condition, which is another point of failure. When fossil gas is available, it is usually elected as the fuel of choice because this is unnecessary (as the generator is hooked up to gas pipelines, and no storage consideration is required). Propane will last forever in a proper container, but poses more storage risk than diesel. TLDR Diesel generators where you might be without mains for a while and intend to replenish the fuel with deliveries during the outage, fossil gas for use cases where gas delivery pipelines are available (urban, suburban), propane for offgrid use cases (rural, cell towers, etc) where fuel longevity is a concern. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_polishing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_polishing
    - 8note 1y ago
      if you dont have an ICE car, i think id prefer propane over gas? ill likely have the propane tank for a grill anyways
      - laurencerowe 1y ago
        I think he is talking about natural gas rather than gasoline/petrol.
      - LgWoodenBadger 1y ago
        In this context, "gas" is "natural gas" delivered continuously through pipelines directly to your property. Propane is delivered by truck periodically, and stored in tanks on your property. Gasoline and diesel would also be delivered by truck periodically.
swiftcoder 1y ago
They are modern marvels indeed, but if you were to park your car in a field in May, by New Years when you go to start it up, it's a coin-flip whether or not it will. Generators need to be exercised and maintained. You are committing to fire that thing up for a few hours every month, just to make sure it's in running order when you need it (I used to work next to a hospital that fired them every week).
- nick49488171 1y ago
  For a modern car, If mice don't get into it and you have a battery maintainer, it's close to 100% going to start right up.
  - aduty 1y ago
    That fuel is probably going to be bad by then thanks to the ethanol that's put in it. Diesel is much more stable in that case.
    - RandomBacon 1y ago
      I wonder if anyone has done any modern testing. I had a 1990s car that started right up with 2015 fuel that sat in its tank for 9 months.
      - nick49488171 1y ago
        I had a car parked during covid and then remote work that probably consumed 1 tank of gas over the period of 2 years. Other than battery drain it was fine.
- quickthrowman 1y ago
  > Generators need to be exercised and maintained. You are committing to fire that thing up for a few hours every month, just to make sure it's in running order when you need it (I used to work next to a hospital that fired them every week). This can easily be automated, Generac will handle testing for residential generators.
jwr 1y ago
You do need to run it at least once per quarter, though.
Aurornis 1y ago
> operating few hundred hours per year Do you really have a few hundred hours of power outage per year? Around here, the power is so stable that we go multiple years without an outage that lasts longer than a few seconds. If I installed a generator it wouldn’t a couple hundred hours per year. It wouldn’t run at all for years at a time unless I manually exercised it as yet another maintenance task for my already too long list of things to maintain.

toomuchtodo 1y ago

I just replaced a residential condo building's fossil gas generator (Kohler 48RCLC), at a cost of ~$24k, because the association didn't perform the required maintenance on it. Yes, fossil generators can be reliable if you do the maintenance and you monitor to ensure they are doing a test run weekly/monthly under load. Lots of people don't. My Powerwall quietly sits there charged and waiting to be under load, and charges to full when storm mode is activated (or I activate it manually). It has a 10 year warranty, 15 years if part of a virtual power plant (which my storage participates in with the local utility). It requires no maintenance. I also received a 30% federal tax credit for the Powerwall, which the building will not receive for a generator.

westmeal 1y ago
Diesel is not the same as a gas generator. There are a lot of things to go wrong with gas engines tbh. Diesel on the other hand will mostly run without too much fuss so long as there is compression and there is fuel.
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  Diesel lasts longer, but you should also be polishing the diesel fuel to keep it in good condition, which is another point of failure. When fossil gas is available, it is usually elected as the fuel of choice because this is unnecessary (as the generator is hooked up to gas pipelines, and no storage consideration is required). Propane will last forever in a proper container, but poses more storage risk than diesel. TLDR Diesel generators where you might be without mains for a while and intend to replenish the fuel with deliveries during the outage, fossil gas for use cases where gas delivery pipelines are available (urban, suburban), propane for offgrid use cases (rural, cell towers, etc) where fuel longevity is a concern. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_polishing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_polishing
  - 8note 1y ago
    if you dont have an ICE car, i think id prefer propane over gas? ill likely have the propane tank for a grill anyways
    - laurencerowe 1y ago
      I think he is talking about natural gas rather than gasoline/petrol.
    - LgWoodenBadger 1y ago
      In this context, "gas" is "natural gas" delivered continuously through pipelines directly to your property. Propane is delivered by truck periodically, and stored in tanks on your property. Gasoline and diesel would also be delivered by truck periodically.

swiftcoder 1y ago

They are modern marvels indeed, but if you were to park your car in a field in May, by New Years when you go to start it up, it's a coin-flip whether or not it will. Generators need to be exercised and maintained. You are committing to fire that thing up for a few hours every month, just to make sure it's in running order when you need it (I used to work next to a hospital that fired them every week).

nick49488171 1y ago
For a modern car, If mice don't get into it and you have a battery maintainer, it's close to 100% going to start right up.
- aduty 1y ago
  That fuel is probably going to be bad by then thanks to the ethanol that's put in it. Diesel is much more stable in that case.
  - RandomBacon 1y ago
    I wonder if anyone has done any modern testing. I had a 1990s car that started right up with 2015 fuel that sat in its tank for 9 months.
    - nick49488171 1y ago
      I had a car parked during covid and then remote work that probably consumed 1 tank of gas over the period of 2 years. Other than battery drain it was fine.
quickthrowman 1y ago
> Generators need to be exercised and maintained. You are committing to fire that thing up for a few hours every month, just to make sure it's in running order when you need it (I used to work next to a hospital that fired them every week). This can easily be automated, Generac will handle testing for residential generators.

jwr 1y ago

You do need to run it at least once per quarter, though.

Aurornis 1y ago

> operating few hundred hours per year Do you really have a few hundred hours of power outage per year? Around here, the power is so stable that we go multiple years without an outage that lasts longer than a few seconds. If I installed a generator it wouldn’t a couple hundred hours per year. It wouldn’t run at all for years at a time unless I manually exercised it as yet another maintenance task for my already too long list of things to maintain.