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> It is highly unlikely to be dangerous enough to have a significant, or even measurable, effect on life expectancies. Assuming you are a normal healthy adult

> It is highly unlikely to be dangerous enough to have a significant, or even measurable, effect on life expectancies. Assuming you are a normal healthy adult who gets plenty of nutrition - like someone in the modern world. If you are eating near starvation your immune system won't be as strong. If you are otherwise unhealthy the potential bacteria can overwhelm you...

Spooky23 1y ago
So, do you leave your burritos out for 3 hours so the listeria can grow? Online arguments about anything like this since COVID boil down to “if you don’t die, it’s ok”. An old or sick person can easily die from food poisoning. If you are hearty and hale, you’re going to feel like crap and get stuff like violent diarrhea.
- bluGill 1y ago
  most milk doesn't even have anything growing in it. If you take care in storage - refrigeration, clean containers, and use it fast you are probably safe. Probably is of course odds and so if everyone did it there would be deaths - but most people would never be sick
  - Spooky23 1y ago
    Most chicken doesn’t either. Yet we don’t eat rare, juicy chicken. It’s a risk. There’s a long history of sick and dead people associated with raw milk.
    - graemep 1y ago
      its not a comparable risk, not even remotely. 26 deaths, 356 hospitalised, and less than 1% of food borne disease outbreaks over a 26 year period in England and Wales: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6805749/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6805749/ ANY food would be safer cooked, but most people eat quite a lot raw.
graemep 1y ago
The thing about milk is that its usually pretty obvious if its gone off. The risk lies in certain diseases (TB is the highest risk) which can kill. However, there is a TB vaccine.
- HankStallone 1y ago
  And some entire US states have been declared TB-free and/or brucellosis free, and cows are routinely tested under various circumstances to ensure that they stay that way. So some of the risks of the past, whether or not they've been exaggerated, are no longer an issue.
- giardini 1y ago
  Yes, the BCG vaccine for TB: https://www.cdc.gov/tb/vaccines/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/tb/vaccines/index.html The BCG vaccine is not commonly used in USA.

Spooky23 1y ago

So, do you leave your burritos out for 3 hours so the listeria can grow? Online arguments about anything like this since COVID boil down to “if you don’t die, it’s ok”. An old or sick person can easily die from food poisoning. If you are hearty and hale, you’re going to feel like crap and get stuff like violent diarrhea.

bluGill 1y ago
most milk doesn't even have anything growing in it. If you take care in storage - refrigeration, clean containers, and use it fast you are probably safe. Probably is of course odds and so if everyone did it there would be deaths - but most people would never be sick
- Spooky23 1y ago
  Most chicken doesn’t either. Yet we don’t eat rare, juicy chicken. It’s a risk. There’s a long history of sick and dead people associated with raw milk.
  - graemep 1y ago
    its not a comparable risk, not even remotely. 26 deaths, 356 hospitalised, and less than 1% of food borne disease outbreaks over a 26 year period in England and Wales: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6805749/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6805749/ ANY food would be safer cooked, but most people eat quite a lot raw.

graemep 1y ago

The thing about milk is that its usually pretty obvious if its gone off. The risk lies in certain diseases (TB is the highest risk) which can kill. However, there is a TB vaccine.

HankStallone 1y ago
And some entire US states have been declared TB-free and/or brucellosis free, and cows are routinely tested under various circumstances to ensure that they stay that way. So some of the risks of the past, whether or not they've been exaggerated, are no longer an issue.
giardini 1y ago
Yes, the BCG vaccine for TB: https://www.cdc.gov/tb/vaccines/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/tb/vaccines/index.html The BCG vaccine is not commonly used in USA.