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It’s the way humans consumed milk forever, though? Every infant consumes raw milk. Every milk-consuming culture on the planet did it until Pasteur. So… I’m not

It’s the way humans consumed milk forever, though? Every infant consumes raw milk. Every milk-consuming culture on the planet did it until Pasteur. So… I’m not advocating raw milk consumption, but to call it poison is pure ignorance.

Bender 1y ago
Every infant consumes raw milk From their mother. Human breast milk is very bitter and I'm sure protein wise very different than cow milk. I doubt scientists have really studied this. Humans are not supposed to be drinking bovine milk. As a visitor to this planet I find it strange. Milk has a lot of lactose and will have interesting affects on adults including but not limited to insulin resistance whereas babies are developing very fast and need simple quick energy.
- graemep 1y ago
  > Humans are not supposed to be drinking bovine milk. Humans are not "supposed" to eat and drink most of what we do (maybe fruits are an exception). However, we have evolved to consume a lot of things - including, if we have the right genes, milk.
  - Bender 1y ago
    Yeah, no. It's not normal just because people have been doing this for a long time. It has sugar which makes people addicted to it and will argue until they are blue in the face to defend it just like drug addicts will defend their behavior until their last breath. Milk can cause just as much a fatter liver as beer. People can get all their calcium from green leafy vegetables. Raw milk will also contain IGG, IGB, IGA that humans can create on their own. Adding animal immunoglobulins is not well studied. Humans can create their own.
    - Earw0rm 1y ago
      If you're drinking milk in the quantities many guys drink beer, it's going to fatten a lot more than just your liver.
      - Bender 1y ago
        If you're drinking milk in the quantities many guys drink beer, it's going to fatten a lot more than just your liver. As many people do and get a fatty liver and ultimately Cirrhosis.
        graemep 1y ago
        According to this meta-analysis dairy reduces the risk of fatty liver: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9992538/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9992538/
  - Earw0rm 1y ago
    Most fruits are highly bred, nutrition wise they're very different from their wild-type predecessors. Many of which are outright inedible, or close to it. That said, we've coevolved with technology of one sort or another (the broadest definition, to include cooking, plant breeding, hunting with weapons, domestication and animal husbandry) ever since we began to master fire, a million years ago give or take.
- crazygringo 1y ago
  > Humans are not supposed to be drinking bovine milk. Humans aren't "supposed" to eat anything. You think we're supposed to eat flour or sausage or arugula or lentils? But because we like to survive, we eat anything and everything that gives us nutrition and helps us live. Also, there are pastoral tribes like the Maasai in East Africa that historically have lived on bovine milk as a staple food. Is that authentic and traditional enough for you that you might no longer consider it "strange", but rather as traditional as it gets? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_people#Cuisine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_people#Cuisine
  - Bender 1y ago
    You think we're supposed to eat flour or sausage or arugula or lentils? We are not. The dumb grazing animals are supposed to eat the various forms of grass. Their guts and stomachs are designed to convert those to energy correctly. Humans since time immemorial have eaten mostly vegetables and meats when they can catch them. Only recently did we start poisoning ourselves for the profits.
    - crazygringo 1y ago
      > Humans since time immemorial have eaten mostly vegetables This is just not true. Since time immemorial, humans have eaten meat and fish constantly as a main part of their diet. Catching fish and animals isn't that much different from digging up roots. We've eaten everything we can, not just vegetables. And humanity has been drinking bovine milk for many millennia. Long before even the concept of capitalist "profits" existed. Again, see the Maasai for example.
      - Bender 1y ago
        And humanity has been drinking bovine milk for many millennia And it's still the wrong thing to do. Humans got that wrong and stuck with it. They will argue till they are blue in the face and so will I.
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- Belopolye 1y ago
  >Human breast milk is very bitter Aggressively incorrect.
- christophilus 1y ago
  Human breast milk is not bitter, at least not in my experience (at the risk of TMI). It’s actually sort of sweet. I’ve heard (but haven’t bothered confirming) that Camel milk is the closest to it in the animal kingdom.
HankStallone 1y ago
It wasn't an issue until dairies started turning into factories to supply growing cities, with cows crowded inside and the manure concentrated in one place which encourages the growth of pathogens, and low-wage employees who weren't necessarily as careful about keeping the cows healthy and manure out of the milk as a traditional "dairy maid" might have been. So the industry had a choice: go back to keeping cows on pasture, which would mean the expense of transporting the milk further into the city from distant farms, or use the new technology of pasteurization to kill all life in the milk, good or bad. As always, industry went with the cheaper option. Which is fine; I wouldn't drink raw milk off the grocery shelf if I thought it came from a large factory dairy. Milk produced that way should be pasteurized. But it wasn't necessary to criminalize doing it the other way. That's just an industry trying to protect itself from competition. If your raw milk comes from cows on pasture, milked by people who make an effort to keep the cows healthy and the milk clean, there's nothing to worry about.

Bender 1y ago

Every infant consumes raw milk From their mother. Human breast milk is very bitter and I'm sure protein wise very different than cow milk. I doubt scientists have really studied this. Humans are not supposed to be drinking bovine milk. As a visitor to this planet I find it strange. Milk has a lot of lactose and will have interesting affects on adults including but not limited to insulin resistance whereas babies are developing very fast and need simple quick energy.

graemep 1y ago
> Humans are not supposed to be drinking bovine milk. Humans are not "supposed" to eat and drink most of what we do (maybe fruits are an exception). However, we have evolved to consume a lot of things - including, if we have the right genes, milk.
- Bender 1y ago
  Yeah, no. It's not normal just because people have been doing this for a long time. It has sugar which makes people addicted to it and will argue until they are blue in the face to defend it just like drug addicts will defend their behavior until their last breath. Milk can cause just as much a fatter liver as beer. People can get all their calcium from green leafy vegetables. Raw milk will also contain IGG, IGB, IGA that humans can create on their own. Adding animal immunoglobulins is not well studied. Humans can create their own.
  - Earw0rm 1y ago
    If you're drinking milk in the quantities many guys drink beer, it's going to fatten a lot more than just your liver.
    - Bender 1y ago
      If you're drinking milk in the quantities many guys drink beer, it's going to fatten a lot more than just your liver. As many people do and get a fatty liver and ultimately Cirrhosis.
      - graemep 1y ago
        According to this meta-analysis dairy reduces the risk of fatty liver: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9992538/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9992538/
- Earw0rm 1y ago
  Most fruits are highly bred, nutrition wise they're very different from their wild-type predecessors. Many of which are outright inedible, or close to it. That said, we've coevolved with technology of one sort or another (the broadest definition, to include cooking, plant breeding, hunting with weapons, domestication and animal husbandry) ever since we began to master fire, a million years ago give or take.
crazygringo 1y ago
> Humans are not supposed to be drinking bovine milk. Humans aren't "supposed" to eat anything. You think we're supposed to eat flour or sausage or arugula or lentils? But because we like to survive, we eat anything and everything that gives us nutrition and helps us live. Also, there are pastoral tribes like the Maasai in East Africa that historically have lived on bovine milk as a staple food. Is that authentic and traditional enough for you that you might no longer consider it "strange", but rather as traditional as it gets? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_people#Cuisine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_people#Cuisine
- Bender 1y ago
  You think we're supposed to eat flour or sausage or arugula or lentils? We are not. The dumb grazing animals are supposed to eat the various forms of grass. Their guts and stomachs are designed to convert those to energy correctly. Humans since time immemorial have eaten mostly vegetables and meats when they can catch them. Only recently did we start poisoning ourselves for the profits.
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    > Humans since time immemorial have eaten mostly vegetables This is just not true. Since time immemorial, humans have eaten meat and fish constantly as a main part of their diet. Catching fish and animals isn't that much different from digging up roots. We've eaten everything we can, not just vegetables. And humanity has been drinking bovine milk for many millennia. Long before even the concept of capitalist "profits" existed. Again, see the Maasai for example.
    - Bender 1y ago
      And humanity has been drinking bovine milk for many millennia And it's still the wrong thing to do. Humans got that wrong and stuck with it. They will argue till they are blue in the face and so will I.
      - deleted 1y ago
Belopolye 1y ago
>Human breast milk is very bitter Aggressively incorrect.
christophilus 1y ago
Human breast milk is not bitter, at least not in my experience (at the risk of TMI). It’s actually sort of sweet. I’ve heard (but haven’t bothered confirming) that Camel milk is the closest to it in the animal kingdom.

HankStallone 1y ago

It wasn't an issue until dairies started turning into factories to supply growing cities, with cows crowded inside and the manure concentrated in one place which encourages the growth of pathogens, and low-wage employees who weren't necessarily as careful about keeping the cows healthy and manure out of the milk as a traditional "dairy maid" might have been. So the industry had a choice: go back to keeping cows on pasture, which would mean the expense of transporting the milk further into the city from distant farms, or use the new technology of pasteurization to kill all life in the milk, good or bad. As always, industry went with the cheaper option. Which is fine; I wouldn't drink raw milk off the grocery shelf if I thought it came from a large factory dairy. Milk produced that way should be pasteurized. But it wasn't necessary to criminalize doing it the other way. That's just an industry trying to protect itself from competition. If your raw milk comes from cows on pasture, milked by people who make an effort to keep the cows healthy and the milk clean, there's nothing to worry about.