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> The researchers found that new cases of diabetes were significantly higher in the cannabis group (1,937; 2.2%) compared to the healthy group (518; 0.6%). We

by bb88 1y ago

> The researchers found that new cases of diabetes were significantly higher in the cannabis group (1,937; 2.2%) compared to the healthy group (518; 0.6%). We know there's a path from obesity to diabetes. I think it would be interesting to see if there's a path from cannabis to obesity.

klipt 1y ago
> a path from cannabis to obesity I believe the technical term is "the munchies"
- caboteria 1y ago
  Also "couch lock", i.e., reduced physical activity.
  - keeda 1y ago
    I actually would like to see a study about this. I am starting to think that the stereotype of lethargic potheads chilling on a couch comes mostly from portrayals in movies. Anecdotally, I encounter many people casually using cannabis while engaged in varying levels of physical activity, ranging from just hanging out in the city, to going on hikes, to outright partying or dancing late into the night. I even heard a couple folks use it as a "pre-workout" for long runs or lifting. I'm sure it depends on the dosage, but the relationship between usage and physical activity seems to be more nuanced than is generally understood.
    - hattmall 1y ago
      It's shockingly accurate. Sure people get high and do other stuff but the amount of people just sitting on couches passing weed around for hours is huge.
      - zbentley 1y ago
        This poses a confirmation bias issue though, no? People obviously taking marijuana and sitting around: something you look for because of the stereotype/expectation, and relatively obvious if you’re around them. People doing activities not stereotypically associated with marijuana: less obvious. Unless they are publicly consuming it (which I suspect is a bit rarer due to restrictions on and stigma about consumption in public), how would you count people who aren’t engaging in expected stoner behavior? I don’t have a dog in this fight or suspected conclusion. Just seems like it might be harder than you think to truthfully assert “everyone knows most people who take pot just sit around”.
      - ratelimitsteve 1y ago
        How does it compare to the number of people just sitting on couches doing things other than smoking marijuana, and how are we comparing?
    - ratelimitsteve 1y ago
      pre-workout gummy enjoyer checking in
  - naruhodo 1y ago
    Which is interesting to me because, ironically, I use sativa strains to (very successfully) overcome ASD-related social anxiety so that I can go rock climbing in a gym. I use sedating indicas for the evening wind-down and sleep.
- bb88 1y ago
  You would think that's the mechanism, but there seems to be evidence that points to lower BMI with cannabis use. Mouse study: https://medschool.uci.edu/news/new-research-may-explain-why-despite-munchies-frequent-cannabis-users-are-leaner-non-users https://medschool.uci.edu/news/new-research-may-explain-why-... Human study: https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/can.2024.0069 https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/can.2024.0069 Many people might have removed alcohol intake with cannabis use, to reduce overall caloric intake.
  - blackjack_ 1y ago
    I don't know why this isn't talked about that often, but a lot of people who smoke weed end up needing to smoke weed to be able to eat. Which probably is part of the thing that leads to reduced BMI.
    - DontchaKnowit 1y ago
      Yeah in my experience real heavy users of weed don't get munchies anymore and actually just smoke instead of eat pretty frequently. Eating kinda kills your high. Source: was a burnout in college for 4 years
      - bb88 1y ago
        My personal hypothesis, is that cravings (drug, sugar, food, sex, alcohol, socializing, etc) fill a need for stimulation. Most people get that through maybe watching sports, reading books, or if you can, mental stimulation (math, science, programming, 3d printing, juggling, etc). Or maybe some combination of all of them. If you didn't have very many friends growing up, it felt agonizing with a deep desire to fit in -- that was the "social" craving kicking in early in life. Some of those cravings exist to extend life and to help the species multiply. Some of them were artificial (drugs, alcohol, gambling, computer gaming). GLP-1 agonists (wegovy, zepbound) are prescribed for certain addictions other than obesity. This shows that we don't understand addiction at all.
        1y ago
- dyauspitr 1y ago
  There’s also something to cannabis potentially messing with your metabolism because anecdotally potheads usually aren’t particularly fat.
- LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
  Could be, but from my own (and witnessing some others similar experiences) anecdotical evidence I think it's something else, more complicated. Maybe related to the large and fast swings in blood sugar energy drinks, or other strongly sweetened sodas produce. "The munchies" is what comes after, sometimes, but not at all necessarily. Depending on the composition of the stuff, I don't get them at all, and have to remind myself to eat and drink. Sometimes for days after. What I always do is to ingest some grape sugar like https://dextro-energy.com/en/products/cube-classic https://dextro-energy.com/en/products/cube-classic before using any THC, no matter which form. Because when I'm not doing that, I tend to get at least a strong fit of hiccups, but more likely a case of cannabis induced emesis and dizziness. That OFC sucks. IF prophylactically countered by using some sort of grape-sugary thing right before THC use, that never ever happens to me. And some others neither. So what I'm saying is, independently of "the munchies" which come after using anything THCish, it does something to your blood-sugar, fast. At least for some people, with certain metabolic settings. Used repeatedly, over longer timeframes, I wouldn't be surprised that this is causing some maladaption, leading to some form diabetes. Again, indepent of "munchies", or not. This should be nothing new, because I didn't discover this by myself, but got it as a tip by experienced users, almost 40 years ago. edit: maybe some form of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia
- AbstractH24 1y ago
  >I believe the technical term is "the munchies" Needs to be more Latin for academia to accept it. In all seriousness, though, the common thread is a need for coping mechanisms and lacking healthy ones.
  - Ir0nMan 1y ago
    Appetitus Cannabinicus.
- quickthrowman 1y ago
  The munchies eventually go away if you use THC on a daily basis, some users actually end up needing THC to be able to eat normally.
sonicggg 1y ago
Part of research work is removing extraneous variables.
faangguyindia 1y ago
Doesn't it boost appetite? It's traditionally fed to underweight kids in india.
thekevan 1y ago
I always wonder about connection and correlation in these studies. Does the cannabis do something to the body to cause diabetes or is the type of person who would indulge in cannabis also the type of person that would indulge in some cake?
- ivape 1y ago
  You can easily eat entire cakes every single day if you are high all the time.
yieldcrv 1y ago
Or a path from cannabis to diabetes such as declined insulin production

by bb88 1y ago

klipt 1y ago

> a path from cannabis to obesity I believe the technical term is "the munchies"

caboteria 1y ago
Also "couch lock", i.e., reduced physical activity.
- keeda 1y ago
  I actually would like to see a study about this. I am starting to think that the stereotype of lethargic potheads chilling on a couch comes mostly from portrayals in movies. Anecdotally, I encounter many people casually using cannabis while engaged in varying levels of physical activity, ranging from just hanging out in the city, to going on hikes, to outright partying or dancing late into the night. I even heard a couple folks use it as a "pre-workout" for long runs or lifting. I'm sure it depends on the dosage, but the relationship between usage and physical activity seems to be more nuanced than is generally understood.
  - hattmall 1y ago
    It's shockingly accurate. Sure people get high and do other stuff but the amount of people just sitting on couches passing weed around for hours is huge.
    - zbentley 1y ago
      This poses a confirmation bias issue though, no? People obviously taking marijuana and sitting around: something you look for because of the stereotype/expectation, and relatively obvious if you’re around them. People doing activities not stereotypically associated with marijuana: less obvious. Unless they are publicly consuming it (which I suspect is a bit rarer due to restrictions on and stigma about consumption in public), how would you count people who aren’t engaging in expected stoner behavior? I don’t have a dog in this fight or suspected conclusion. Just seems like it might be harder than you think to truthfully assert “everyone knows most people who take pot just sit around”.
    - ratelimitsteve 1y ago
      How does it compare to the number of people just sitting on couches doing things other than smoking marijuana, and how are we comparing?
  - ratelimitsteve 1y ago
    pre-workout gummy enjoyer checking in
- naruhodo 1y ago
  Which is interesting to me because, ironically, I use sativa strains to (very successfully) overcome ASD-related social anxiety so that I can go rock climbing in a gym. I use sedating indicas for the evening wind-down and sleep.
bb88 1y ago
You would think that's the mechanism, but there seems to be evidence that points to lower BMI with cannabis use. Mouse study: https://medschool.uci.edu/news/new-research-may-explain-why-despite-munchies-frequent-cannabis-users-are-leaner-non-users https://medschool.uci.edu/news/new-research-may-explain-why-... Human study: https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/can.2024.0069 https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/can.2024.0069 Many people might have removed alcohol intake with cannabis use, to reduce overall caloric intake.
- blackjack_ 1y ago
  I don't know why this isn't talked about that often, but a lot of people who smoke weed end up needing to smoke weed to be able to eat. Which probably is part of the thing that leads to reduced BMI.
  - DontchaKnowit 1y ago
    Yeah in my experience real heavy users of weed don't get munchies anymore and actually just smoke instead of eat pretty frequently. Eating kinda kills your high. Source: was a burnout in college for 4 years
    - bb88 1y ago
      My personal hypothesis, is that cravings (drug, sugar, food, sex, alcohol, socializing, etc) fill a need for stimulation. Most people get that through maybe watching sports, reading books, or if you can, mental stimulation (math, science, programming, 3d printing, juggling, etc). Or maybe some combination of all of them. If you didn't have very many friends growing up, it felt agonizing with a deep desire to fit in -- that was the "social" craving kicking in early in life. Some of those cravings exist to extend life and to help the species multiply. Some of them were artificial (drugs, alcohol, gambling, computer gaming). GLP-1 agonists (wegovy, zepbound) are prescribed for certain addictions other than obesity. This shows that we don't understand addiction at all.
      - 1y ago
dyauspitr 1y ago
There’s also something to cannabis potentially messing with your metabolism because anecdotally potheads usually aren’t particularly fat.
LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
Could be, but from my own (and witnessing some others similar experiences) anecdotical evidence I think it's something else, more complicated. Maybe related to the large and fast swings in blood sugar energy drinks, or other strongly sweetened sodas produce. "The munchies" is what comes after, sometimes, but not at all necessarily. Depending on the composition of the stuff, I don't get them at all, and have to remind myself to eat and drink. Sometimes for days after. What I always do is to ingest some grape sugar like https://dextro-energy.com/en/products/cube-classic https://dextro-energy.com/en/products/cube-classic before using any THC, no matter which form. Because when I'm not doing that, I tend to get at least a strong fit of hiccups, but more likely a case of cannabis induced emesis and dizziness. That OFC sucks. IF prophylactically countered by using some sort of grape-sugary thing right before THC use, that never ever happens to me. And some others neither. So what I'm saying is, independently of "the munchies" which come after using anything THCish, it does something to your blood-sugar, fast. At least for some people, with certain metabolic settings. Used repeatedly, over longer timeframes, I wouldn't be surprised that this is causing some maladaption, leading to some form diabetes. Again, indepent of "munchies", or not. This should be nothing new, because I didn't discover this by myself, but got it as a tip by experienced users, almost 40 years ago. edit: maybe some form of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia
AbstractH24 1y ago
>I believe the technical term is "the munchies" Needs to be more Latin for academia to accept it. In all seriousness, though, the common thread is a need for coping mechanisms and lacking healthy ones.
- Ir0nMan 1y ago
  Appetitus Cannabinicus.
quickthrowman 1y ago
The munchies eventually go away if you use THC on a daily basis, some users actually end up needing THC to be able to eat normally.

sonicggg 1y ago

Part of research work is removing extraneous variables.

faangguyindia 1y ago

Doesn't it boost appetite? It's traditionally fed to underweight kids in india.

thekevan 1y ago

I always wonder about connection and correlation in these studies. Does the cannabis do something to the body to cause diabetes or is the type of person who would indulge in cannabis also the type of person that would indulge in some cake?

ivape 1y ago
You can easily eat entire cakes every single day if you are high all the time.

yieldcrv 1y ago

Or a path from cannabis to diabetes such as declined insulin production