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The report with a discount rate lower than the inflation and a 40 year pay back time. For anyone even having a slight economic understanding the writers of tha

The report with a discount rate lower than the inflation and a 40 year pay back time. For anyone even having a slight economic understanding the writers of that report are shouting from the top of their lungs that investing in nuclear power is pure lunacy. But shrouded in a language allowing lobbyists and blindingly biased people to cite it. Any understanding of economy and shilling for nuclear power seems to be a very disjoint set given what we are seeing in this thread.

mpweiher 1y ago
"Interesting" unsubstantiated opinions. And counterfactual, as nuclear is immensely profitable and the world is investing in nuclear.
- ViewTrick1002 1y ago
  Here’s the source Cour des Comptes report validating that you are incorrect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45243337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45243337 The world also very much is not investing in nuclear power given how it is backsliding as a % of the global energy mix with a huge number of closures looming in the close future with no replacements in sight. Given this answer I don’t know if you are either trolling or have serious problems with delusions. I dislike drawing conclusions so I will end this conversion with a question: If you are not trolling, have you tried seeking help from the mental healthcare system?
  - mpweiher 1y ago
    Sorry, you are still incorrect. Nuclear had a record production year in 2024, despite the German exit. 2025 is predicted to be another record year. There are currently 60+ reactors under construction, 90+ in preparation and 170+ announced/in planning. The future is nuclear.
    - ViewTrick1002 1y ago
      Please. Do tell me where I am incorrect. You just keep making unsubstantiated claims about me being "incorrect" and when we go to the sources they contradict you. Or you are explicitly going on tangents attempting to muddy the water. Nuclear power having a record year in 2025 and me claiming: > The world also very much is not investing in nuclear power given how it is backsliding as a % of the global energy mix with a huge number of closures looming in the close future with no replacements in sight. Are both correct statements. I even acknowledge that we have a lot of existing infrastructure while commmenting on the trend line. That 60+ reactors number also includes several abandoned projects. In 2024 the world managed to complete 6 reactors. So far the number in 2025 is a 1 reactor. Of course ignoring that this is a debate focused on the west with western construction costs. In which the nuclear construction rate far under the replacement rate. But you can't deal with reality. When it came to the future you went straight into hypotheticals not backed by firm deals hoping no one noticed. This is not a sane behaviour, nor commenting in good faith. Nuclear projects are easy to announce. Maybe we can ask these reactors how it went getting a final investment decision: France: EPR2 project, do I need to say more? Stuck in financial limbo due to the insanely large subsidies needed to get it off the ground with a government that just collapsed due to being underwater in debt while having a spending problem and being unable to reign it in. UK: - Sizewell C - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sizewell_nuclear_power_stations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sizewell_nuclear_power_stati...) - Wylfa-Newydd - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wylfa_Newydd_nuclear_power_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wylfa_Newydd_nuclear_power_sta... - Oldbury B - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldbury_nuclear_power_station#Oldbury_B https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldbury_nuclear_power_station#... - Bradwell B - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradwell_B_nuclear_power_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradwell_B_nuclear_power_stati... - Moorside - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorside_nuclear_power_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorside_nuclear_power_station US: - Bellefonte - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellefonte_Nuclear_Plant#Units_3_and_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellefonte_Nuclear_Plant#Units... - Bell bend - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Bend_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Bend_Nuclear_Power_Plant - Callaway - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callaway_Nuclear_Generating_Station#Proposed_Unit_2_and_cancellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callaway_Nuclear_Generating_St... - Calvert Cliffs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvert_Cliffs_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Proposal_to_add_a_third_reactor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvert_Cliffs_Nuclear_Power_P... - Comance Peak - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche_Peak_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Proposed_units_3_and_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche_Peak_Nuclear_Power_Pl... - Galena - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena_Nuclear_Power_Plant - Grand Gulf - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Gulf_Nuclear_Station#Units_2_and_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Gulf_Nuclear_Station#Uni... - Levy County - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levy_County_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levy_County_Nuclear_Power_Plan... - Nine Mile Point - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Mile_Point_Nuclear_Generating_Station#Withdrawn_unit_3_proposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Mile_Point_Nuclear_Genera... - River Bend - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Bend_Nuclear_Generating_Station#Units_2_and_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Bend_Nuclear_Generating_... - Shearon Harris - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shearon_Harris_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Units_2_and_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shearon_Harris_Nuclear_Power_P... - South Texas - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Texas_Nuclear_Generating_Station#2006%E2%80%93present https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Texas_Nuclear_Generating... - Victoria County - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_County_Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_County_Station - Virgil C. Summer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_C._Summer_Nuclear_Generating_Station#Units_2_and_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_C._Summer_Nuclear_Gener... China: Keeps announcing reactors without starting to build them. China also recently revamped the financing side removing the previous CFD are instead forcing the reactors to compete on market terms which is slowing down investment. China averages ~4-5 construction starts per year which cumulatively leads to nuclear power shrinking as a part of the electricity mix.

mpweiher 1y ago

"Interesting" unsubstantiated opinions. And counterfactual, as nuclear is immensely profitable and the world is investing in nuclear.

ViewTrick1002 1y ago
Here’s the source Cour des Comptes report validating that you are incorrect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45243337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45243337 The world also very much is not investing in nuclear power given how it is backsliding as a % of the global energy mix with a huge number of closures looming in the close future with no replacements in sight. Given this answer I don’t know if you are either trolling or have serious problems with delusions. I dislike drawing conclusions so I will end this conversion with a question: If you are not trolling, have you tried seeking help from the mental healthcare system?
- mpweiher 1y ago
  Sorry, you are still incorrect. Nuclear had a record production year in 2024, despite the German exit. 2025 is predicted to be another record year. There are currently 60+ reactors under construction, 90+ in preparation and 170+ announced/in planning. The future is nuclear.
  - ViewTrick1002 1y ago
    Please. Do tell me where I am incorrect. You just keep making unsubstantiated claims about me being "incorrect" and when we go to the sources they contradict you. Or you are explicitly going on tangents attempting to muddy the water. Nuclear power having a record year in 2025 and me claiming: > The world also very much is not investing in nuclear power given how it is backsliding as a % of the global energy mix with a huge number of closures looming in the close future with no replacements in sight. Are both correct statements. I even acknowledge that we have a lot of existing infrastructure while commmenting on the trend line. That 60+ reactors number also includes several abandoned projects. In 2024 the world managed to complete 6 reactors. So far the number in 2025 is a 1 reactor. Of course ignoring that this is a debate focused on the west with western construction costs. In which the nuclear construction rate far under the replacement rate. But you can't deal with reality. When it came to the future you went straight into hypotheticals not backed by firm deals hoping no one noticed. This is not a sane behaviour, nor commenting in good faith. Nuclear projects are easy to announce. Maybe we can ask these reactors how it went getting a final investment decision: France: EPR2 project, do I need to say more? Stuck in financial limbo due to the insanely large subsidies needed to get it off the ground with a government that just collapsed due to being underwater in debt while having a spending problem and being unable to reign it in. UK: - Sizewell C - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sizewell_nuclear_power_stations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sizewell_nuclear_power_stati...) - Wylfa-Newydd - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wylfa_Newydd_nuclear_power_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wylfa_Newydd_nuclear_power_sta... - Oldbury B - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldbury_nuclear_power_station#Oldbury_B https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldbury_nuclear_power_station#... - Bradwell B - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradwell_B_nuclear_power_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradwell_B_nuclear_power_stati... - Moorside - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorside_nuclear_power_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorside_nuclear_power_station US: - Bellefonte - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellefonte_Nuclear_Plant#Units_3_and_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellefonte_Nuclear_Plant#Units... - Bell bend - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Bend_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Bend_Nuclear_Power_Plant - Callaway - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callaway_Nuclear_Generating_Station#Proposed_Unit_2_and_cancellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callaway_Nuclear_Generating_St... - Calvert Cliffs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvert_Cliffs_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Proposal_to_add_a_third_reactor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvert_Cliffs_Nuclear_Power_P... - Comance Peak - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche_Peak_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Proposed_units_3_and_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche_Peak_Nuclear_Power_Pl... - Galena - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena_Nuclear_Power_Plant - Grand Gulf - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Gulf_Nuclear_Station#Units_2_and_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Gulf_Nuclear_Station#Uni... - Levy County - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levy_County_Nuclear_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levy_County_Nuclear_Power_Plan... - Nine Mile Point - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Mile_Point_Nuclear_Generating_Station#Withdrawn_unit_3_proposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Mile_Point_Nuclear_Genera... - River Bend - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Bend_Nuclear_Generating_Station#Units_2_and_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Bend_Nuclear_Generating_... - Shearon Harris - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shearon_Harris_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Units_2_and_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shearon_Harris_Nuclear_Power_P... - South Texas - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Texas_Nuclear_Generating_Station#2006%E2%80%93present https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Texas_Nuclear_Generating... - Victoria County - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_County_Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_County_Station - Virgil C. Summer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_C._Summer_Nuclear_Generating_Station#Units_2_and_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_C._Summer_Nuclear_Gener... China: Keeps announcing reactors without starting to build them. China also recently revamped the financing side removing the previous CFD are instead forcing the reactors to compete on market terms which is slowing down investment. China averages ~4-5 construction starts per year which cumulatively leads to nuclear power shrinking as a part of the electricity mix.