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That’s what always is happening. We learn. The next generation will have something different they will steal from the future. It’s an infinite thing.

toomuchtodo 1y ago
Some will say we do nothing, some will say we do better. Imho, the latter is winning over the former at the moment. That might change, hopefully it doesn't. As you say, this is an infinite ooda loop of humanity in the aggregate. (1GW of solar PV is deployed every 15 hours as of this comment; battery storage is ~$52/kwh, half of new vehicles sold in China and 25% of global auto sales currently are battery electric or plug in hybrid electric; manufacturing capacity and uptake trajectories continue to steepen) Solar: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/installed-solar-pv-capacity https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/installed-solar-pv-capaci... https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/solar-panel-prices-have-fallen-by-around-20-every-time-global-capacity-doubled https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/solar-panel-prices-... Batteries: https://ourworldindata.org/battery-price-decline https://ourworldindata.org/battery-price-decline Heat pumps: https://www.iea.org/reports/the-future-of-heat-pumps/executive-summary https://www.iea.org/reports/the-future-of-heat-pumps/executi... EVs: https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025 https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025 https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/global-electric-vehicle-sales-set-for-record-breaking-year-even-as-us-market-slows-sharply-bloombergnef-finds/ https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/global-elect... https://web.archive.org/web/20250904191345/https://www.ftportfolios.com/Commentary/EconomicResearch/2025/9/4/electric-vehicle-adoption-around-the-globe https://web.archive.org/web/20250904191345/https://www.ftpor... [pdf] Lazard’s Levelized Cost of Energy+ (LCOE+) : https://www.lazard.com/research-insights/levelized-cost-of-energyplus-lcoeplus/ https://www.lazard.com/research-insights/levelized-cost-of-e...
- peterspath 1y ago
  You provided good links. I will read them. Saved in my reading list. I agree with you that we should leave this place better than we found it.
  - toomuchtodo 1y ago
    I appreciate the open mind. The data is very favorable, innovation may have saved us from ourselves.
  - toomuchtodo 1y ago
    Additional citation: China is quietly saving the world from climate change - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45253245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45253245 - September 2025
legulere 1y ago
I can’t think of a single thing where people damaged their surroundings and following generations didn’t have to pay more for that then what earlier generations got out of the destruction.

toomuchtodo 1y ago

Some will say we do nothing, some will say we do better. Imho, the latter is winning over the former at the moment. That might change, hopefully it doesn't. As you say, this is an infinite ooda loop of humanity in the aggregate. (1GW of solar PV is deployed every 15 hours as of this comment; battery storage is ~$52/kwh, half of new vehicles sold in China and 25% of global auto sales currently are battery electric or plug in hybrid electric; manufacturing capacity and uptake trajectories continue to steepen) Solar: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/installed-solar-pv-capacity https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/installed-solar-pv-capaci... https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/solar-panel-prices-have-fallen-by-around-20-every-time-global-capacity-doubled https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/solar-panel-prices-... Batteries: https://ourworldindata.org/battery-price-decline https://ourworldindata.org/battery-price-decline Heat pumps: https://www.iea.org/reports/the-future-of-heat-pumps/executive-summary https://www.iea.org/reports/the-future-of-heat-pumps/executi... EVs: https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025 https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2025 https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/global-electric-vehicle-sales-set-for-record-breaking-year-even-as-us-market-slows-sharply-bloombergnef-finds/ https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/global-elect... https://web.archive.org/web/20250904191345/https://www.ftportfolios.com/Commentary/EconomicResearch/2025/9/4/electric-vehicle-adoption-around-the-globe https://web.archive.org/web/20250904191345/https://www.ftpor... [pdf] Lazard’s Levelized Cost of Energy+ (LCOE+) : https://www.lazard.com/research-insights/levelized-cost-of-energyplus-lcoeplus/ https://www.lazard.com/research-insights/levelized-cost-of-e...

peterspath 1y ago
You provided good links. I will read them. Saved in my reading list. I agree with you that we should leave this place better than we found it.
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  I appreciate the open mind. The data is very favorable, innovation may have saved us from ourselves.
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  Additional citation: China is quietly saving the world from climate change - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45253245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45253245 - September 2025

legulere 1y ago

I can’t think of a single thing where people damaged their surroundings and following generations didn’t have to pay more for that then what earlier generations got out of the destruction.